Billybeau1
Premium Member
I'll have to check it out. RC already had good calcium levels before. Interesting. 
A General Guide to Salt Mixes
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Billybeau1
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That is good news.
Aquarist007
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I just checked H2ocean out against tropic Marin Pro
At my supplier h2ocean goes for 79 dollars and tmp for 104.00**
Not much difference in the chemistry according to the charts?
Why such a difference in price between the two?
**wholesale CDN prices
what I am trying to do is eliminate the two part b-ionics I am dosing (with biweekly water changes a better quality mix then instant ocean.)
the concentration of cal, alk and mag in the two mixes is higher then what I am maintaining with the two part.
At my supplier h2ocean goes for 79 dollars and tmp for 104.00**
Not much difference in the chemistry according to the charts?
Why such a difference in price between the two?
**wholesale CDN prices
what I am trying to do is eliminate the two part b-ionics I am dosing (with biweekly water changes a better quality mix then instant ocean.)
the concentration of cal, alk and mag in the two mixes is higher then what I am maintaining with the two part.
a lot of british reefers are using it and swear by it, some of the big guns over here reckon its a fantastic salt, ive never used it myself, but apart from a couple of inexperienced reefers say it gave them brown sand ,lol, ive heard and seen nothing but great reviews about it, its the most popular salt now, everyone over here is talking about it
what I am trying to do is eliminate the two part b-ionics I am dosing (with biweekly water changes a better quality mix then instant ocean.)
the concentration of cal, alk and mag in the two mixes is higher then what I am maintaining with the two part.
I think you will be unlikely to be able to supplement alkalinity that way, unless you have almost no demand.
I discuss it here:
Water Changes in Reef Aquaria
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php
from it:
Figure 23. Alkalinity as a function of time when performing very large daily water changes of 0% (no changes), 5%, 10%, 15% and 30% of the total volume EACH DAY. In this example, alkalinity is present at 4 meq/L (11 dKH) at the start and is depleted at a low rate of 0.2 meq/L per day.
Figure 24. Alkalinity as a function of time when performing very large daily water changes of 0% (no changes), 15%, 30% and 50% of the total volume EACH DAY. In this example, alkalinity is present at 4 meq/L (11 dKH) at the start and is depleted at a moderately high rate of 1 meq/L per day.
the concentration of cal, alk and mag in the two mixes is higher then what I am maintaining with the two part.
I think you will be unlikely to be able to supplement alkalinity that way, unless you have almost no demand.
I discuss it here:
Water Changes in Reef Aquaria
http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2005-10/rhf/index.php
from it:
Figure 23. Alkalinity as a function of time when performing very large daily water changes of 0% (no changes), 5%, 10%, 15% and 30% of the total volume EACH DAY. In this example, alkalinity is present at 4 meq/L (11 dKH) at the start and is depleted at a low rate of 0.2 meq/L per day.
Figure 24. Alkalinity as a function of time when performing very large daily water changes of 0% (no changes), 15%, 30% and 50% of the total volume EACH DAY. In this example, alkalinity is present at 4 meq/L (11 dKH) at the start and is depleted at a moderately high rate of 1 meq/L per day.
Aquarist007
New member
Thanks guys--maybe poor choice of words here "eliminate"
perhaps cut down on the amount of b-ionics and magnesium I am supplementing or using.
OK, let us know how well that works out.
Tswifty
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Hey Billy,<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=14650854#post14650854 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
I'll have to check it out. RC already had good calcium levels before. Interesting.
Any chance the chart from the original thread can be added to the first page of the new thread?
That's a great reference to have available, and I think it should be at the start of each thread. That way you don't have to go clicking back to a previous split to find it.
- T
I have used the TM pro for some time and recently switched over to D&D H20. Basically I have found that the D&D had higher cal ,mag and alk than the TM pro that said the TM pro had very good levels as well. The TM pro when mixed it did not leave any residue in the bucket. I can take a clean paper towel and wipe the bucket it would still be white on the other hand the D&D left residue behind. If your looking for good prices for both salts I would look @ MOP's they are from Hamilton.
Thanks
Kevin
Aquarist007
New member
I was just at Mops's on Saturday Kevin. thanks for the comparison.
Billybeau1
Premium Member
I'm working on it.
kc350twin
New member
I bought the newly labeled RC in the 20gal box and mixed it up.
1.026 SG
450 CA
12 Alk
1250 Mag
I currently use H20cean and just could not make the switch. I called Aquacave and sucked it up and bought another bucket of H20cean. I dose less the 7 mL of each element a day. ( Ca, Mg, Alk) I figure if not I'll just spend as much in elements. It's what's best for my tank. Now I just need to figure out what to do with a 200 gal. box of RC
ksed- I get the slight brown residue as well. It didn't do it at first but noticed it later in the bucket. My Oceanic did it bad to. I think I read in a Elos forum that it's from adding the salt in too fast. I think it was Bricky's build thread high up in the page numbers. They spoke of adding sparkling water to their water change containers the last I'd read. I did not follow up.
Kc3
1.026 SG
450 CA
12 Alk
1250 Mag
I currently use H20cean and just could not make the switch. I called Aquacave and sucked it up and bought another bucket of H20cean. I dose less the 7 mL of each element a day. ( Ca, Mg, Alk) I figure if not I'll just spend as much in elements. It's what's best for my tank. Now I just need to figure out what to do with a 200 gal. box of RC
ksed- I get the slight brown residue as well. It didn't do it at first but noticed it later in the bucket. My Oceanic did it bad to. I think I read in a Elos forum that it's from adding the salt in too fast. I think it was Bricky's build thread high up in the page numbers. They spoke of adding sparkling water to their water change containers the last I'd read. I did not follow up.
Kc3
I currently use H20cean and just could not make the switch. I called Aquacave and sucked it up and bought another bucket of H20cean. I dose less the 7 mL of each element a day. ( Ca, Mg, Alk) I figure if not I'll just spend as much in elements. It's what's best for my tank. Now I just need to figure out what to do with a 200 gal. box of RC
Not sure I understand. What is wrong with those RC values? What would you have to dose?
Not sure I understand. What is wrong with those RC values? What would you have to dose?
kc350twin
New member
Nothing is really wrong with them. I just have my tank "Almost" on auto pilot with the H20. I originally wanted to go back to RC because of price and availability. I just got a gut feeling to suck it up and spend the money.
I dose Ca, Alk and Mg. All just about equal amounts per day. I use a Aquamedic Reef doser and have them set to dose 7 secs. every 24hrs which equates to about 6mL to 7mL of each.
I like my parameters at
1.026 SG
420 Ca
8.0 Alk
1350 Mg
I dose Ca, Alk and Mg. All just about equal amounts per day. I use a Aquamedic Reef doser and have them set to dose 7 secs. every 24hrs which equates to about 6mL to 7mL of each.
I like my parameters at
1.026 SG
420 Ca
8.0 Alk
1350 Mg
Aquarist007
New member
must be what its from--I get that brown residue every once and awhile from using IO
this is exactly what I was getting at when I posted above. I am using 90 mL of B-ionics 2 part daily with the IO and having to dose extra mag once a week. The parameters are Ca 430 Alk 10 dkh and mag 1280-1300.
I think I am going to give the H2ocean a try.
Tank is mostly lps corals and one big ol clam--should not be that big a drain on the alk and ca
Although I had a new bucket of Reef Crystals, I shook it up vigorously before mixing it up.
FWIW, shaking can actually cause separation and striation of the different components of a salt mix. Someone from Instant Ocean/Reef Crystals told me they had actually tested that and found it to happen. So you are probably best off not shaking a salt mix before using it.
FWIW, shaking can actually cause separation and striation of the different components of a salt mix. Someone from Instant Ocean/Reef Crystals told me they had actually tested that and found it to happen. So you are probably best off not shaking a salt mix before using it.
