A Living Room Reef: 90 Gallon Mixed Reef Build

If I understand correctly, the filter sock is typically placed where the drain enters the sump, thereby eliminating those air bubbles. I don't usually run filter socks or pads, and I employ a sort of a drip tray to eliminate that problem.

I'll be adding some live rock to my sump too, but will be placing them atop a frag tray in the hope that detritus collects below the tray and will be easier to siphon.

I'm stuffed today, all you can eat Sushi :p

We actually went out for a giant Sushi meal with our neighbors a week ago for my birthday :celeb3: It was GREAT!!! Back to some pinwheel steaks and I think some corn on the cob for dinner tonight.

Your sump plans sounds similar to where I'm headed. Could you elaborate on your "sort of drip tray" solution to eliminating the problem? So I can get a better idea of a possible solution.

You are correct, the bubble spray is exactly where the filter sock would go (probably eliminating the issue). But like you, I'm not expecting to run a sock all the time. Only when I "see fit." Like if/when I deliberately stir up the sand bed or something similar where I know I'll be stirring up heavy particulate detritus to be filtered out. Like when "typhoon-ing" the rocks with a turkey baster to stir up waste.

Your live rocks in the sump on frag trays is the same direction I was headed with the egg crate. I was going to build a little table (think 2 or 3 egg crate sections as vertical legs zip-tied to 1 large table piece of egg crate). Thus lifting my sump rocks in the drain section up off bottom in order to avoid trapping detritus and making siphoning it out easier :thumbsup:

Now back to work on the refugium I go :fish1: It's all filled with hose water and ready to open up the drain overflow and kick on the pump. I'm hoping this design works... I'm a little concerned I might be headed towards pumping TONS of bubbles back to the display ... or even worse ... not being able to balance out the water flow with the set up. Learn by fire (or in this case water). Let's hope it all goes smoothly and successfully! :uhoh3:
 
Some photo updates from the work done over the weekend...

- Both tanks and the sump got WET! (with fresh water) -

OooOOoOOOoooOOo - look at the water :bounce3:
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- Top of the overflow with return and drain set up... I didn't quite get high enough to see my mini-water jet that shoots about above the water line for a siphon-break
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- Looks like I'm slightly off level. This end seems about 1/4 inch, or just a bit more lower then the other end. I guess I'll be getting some wood shims from the hardware store this week. Glad it's the fresh water leak test and the tank / stand will be empty again to get it level!
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- Connections under stand to bulkheads -
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- The general sump leak test plumbing set up - UV unit plumbed in for leak test -
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- A shot down the closet at the refugium -
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- Top down of plumbing coming through the wall -
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- And finally... we got the RO/DI unit hung in the garage and broke in the sediment, carbon(s), and ro membrane. Close to ready to break in the DI and start storing water for the tank!
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WOO-HOO!!! What do you all think? Comments, optional modifications, etc. are all welcome. I can still make some changes if needed before filling it back up with saltwater, rock, and sand!

P.S. - After leak testing and "power failure testing" all weekend, it has been decided that I order a overflow kit and attempt to drill the end pane of the 75 refugium. I got my pvc overflow working just fine... I let it sit over night and it started back up instantly with no issues. But after discussing and explaining it further on set up, my wife decided she'd rather see me take the risk and spend the little extra $ to install a bulkhead rather then risk any potential overflow in the future. So a new overflow kit and matching glass hole saw are on the way already! Going to attempt that early next weekend. Hopefully a wise decision in the long run.
 
:lol: Finally!!

Looks pretty good :thumbsup:, I usually have 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 :p leaks when plumbing.

So you're drilling the fuge? :thumbsup: to your wife. Leaks are the worst! Btw, my GHL is rigged with a float valve, wherein if any pipe comes off or leaks rather rapidly, it'll allow a max of about a gallon to be drained, before return pumps are shut off. Slow leaks are another story :furious: I'm sure you could whip something like that or better with the Reef Angel :thumbsup:

Will post a pic of the drip tray later, at work now. Your b'day was last week? When? Mine was a couple weeks ago :p
 
Finally!!

Looks pretty good :thumbsup:, I usually have 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 :p leaks when plumbing.

So you're drilling the fuge? :thumbsup: to your wife. Leaks are the worst! Btw, my GHL is rigged with a float valve, wherein if any pipe comes off or leaks rather rapidly, it'll allow a max of about a gallon to be drained, before return pumps are shut off. Slow leaks are another story :furious: I'm sure you could whip something like that or better with the Reef Angel

Will post a pic of the drip tray later, at work now. Your b'day was last week? When? Mine was a couple weeks ago :p

Thanks for the feedback Bello. I'm looking forward to see your splash guard drip tray thingy :hmm5:

I was REALLY excited to sit next to a tank full of water and watch tv. It all went SUPER smooth. The leaks were a piece of cake to fix. I've never installed bulkheads before. They both just needed a little snugging up with a wrench to stop it. I had only hand tightened them as tight as I could before adding the water. Turns out I needed a little help from a tool. All the piping (braided tubing w/ barbed fittings and zip-ties) held and were totally drip free.

As for the Fuge. I tested that self-leveling siphon drain system and it worked just fine. Then I slightly modified it by drilling the valve at the top in order to make it easier to "know" that the air wasn't building up. But when I first sealed the check valve in with silicone, it was leaking some error and the drain would not start back up in a power outage.

So I reapplied a heavier glob of silicone to seal it, and while waiting 3 hours for it to cure, the wife was asking "what's the concern of all this" and what I was dealing with. Upon explaining it and showing her a video of someone drilling a glass tank (which I've never done and am EXTREMELY nervous about) she started thinking that was a better (although risky) option.

3 hours later we tested out the fixed up siphon system and it worked PERFECTLY. Stopped and started multiple times with no problems and no interaction needed by me. So we decided at the end of the day to unplug the pumps and let it all sit not running over night. When I plugged it in the next morning, it started perfectly and ran all day Monday with no issues.

But after dealing with all that, it was decided that since there is no drain on the floor of the closet and we're in the process of building a good, hopefully efficient, and SAFE system, that it would be wisest to not build in a potential weak point in the system and to attempt to drill in a bulkhead anyway. Besides, what's another week delay at the pace we are moving at :furious: Right :headwally:

So, now I have a week of anticipation about drilling my Fuge. I got a shipping notice today, so hopefully it will be here by Saturday! But if that all goes well, I'm SUPER excited to get my sand and rock into the tank. And I'm sure my wife will be excited to have the table, drop cloth, rocks, and all that cement out of the front hallway where it's been sitting for 3 months. LOL :uzi:

I'm planning to eventually utilize some "wet floor" sensors tied into the Reef Angel for sure. But that may be a bit down the road still. But definitely a good idea, I think. I'll have more piece of mind knowing that it's not possible to drain the 90 DT and sump by pumping all that water into the fuge and overflowing it under the stairs.

Oh, and my birthday was back in the first week of August. It just took us a bit to "go out to celebrate." But happy belated birthday to you Bello! :beer:
 
Wooohoooo ! About bloody time Troub lol. Looking great mate and drilling the fuge was always on the cards for peace of mind. :thumbsup:
Not long now and i'll be able to start slagging your corals............. :D
 
Wooohoooo ! About bloody time Troub lol. Looking great mate and drilling the fuge was always on the cards for peace of mind. :thumbsup:
Not long now and i'll be able to start slagging your corals............. :D

You ever drilled a glass tank biggles? I'm just praying I don't ruin my end pane of glass. But from watching videos of other people doing it. It doesn't look all that tough.

I'm a little nervous about it and hope I don't ruin my tank. But you're right. Drilling it was always a concern and possibility. I guess if I ruin it I'm not out to much. A used tank is worth like 1/1000th of what you pay for it. I think aquarium stands and tanks diminish in value faster then new cars when you drive them off the lot. :lol:

Oh, and I'll be ready for those corals soon!
 
Happy belated b'day to you too, Troub :). Mine's in the second week, but my wife's, mum's & son's are all in the last week of July, so by the time they get to me....no one cares :p ha ha

I think it's pretty cool, that your wife contributes into the tank :thumbsup:, and seriously troub, its a complete PITA to clean up after a leak.... and it usually happens in the middle of the night or early morning :furious:

Good luck with the drilling :thumbsup: and here's a pic of the crappy drip tray. I don't use filter socks since I can't be bothered to clean 'em. So i just throw in cheapo pads into the container and throw 'em out when done.

 
I've drilled probably 30-35 holes through 6-15mm glass panels and it's easy Troub. Go slow, lots of water and if you're nervous, drop into a glass shop and grab a $10 piece of the same glass you're going to be drilling and have a practice to ease your nerves - you won't have any dramas unless you're a useless bastard.........:lol2:
 
I've drilled probably 30-35 holes through 6-15mm glass panels and it's easy Troub. Go slow, lots of water and if you're nervous, drop into a glass shop and grab a $10 piece of the same glass you're going to be drilling and have a practice to ease your nerves - you won't have any dramas unless you're a useless bastard.........:lol2:

Well, I guess today is the day we find out if I'm a useless bastard or not. LOL

I worked Saturday & have been working long days all week to finish this work project.

That means I hope today is tank drilling and filling day maybe!
 
Success! :thumbsup:

The fuge is drilled & i still have an end to my tank! I'm off to run errands & then the hardware store to pick up one or two plumbing pieces to connect the new bulkhead to!

A great start to my 1 day weekend :-)
 
Success! :thumbsup:

The fuge is drilled & i still have an end to my tank! I'm off to run errands & then the hardware store to pick up one or two plumbing pieces to connect the new bulkhead to!

A great start to my 1 day weekend :-)

Excellent Troub, well done mate. It's a bit nervy on the very first one at the start but once you get the feel it's pretty straight forward isn't it. :thumbsup: That noise of the saw grinding away never sounds nice though - reminds me of Bello's PM's tbh........:reading:
 
Yes yes yes yes :thumbsup:, I can finally un-cross my fingers....was getting painful :p

Finally, now hurry up before I send you an abusive PM :lol:
 
Time for some updates from my 1 day weekend where I got a little more work done!

Excellent Troub, well done mate. It's a bit nervy on the very first one at the start but once you get the feel it's pretty straight forward isn't it. :thumbsup: That noise of the saw grinding away never sounds nice though - reminds me of Bello's PM's tbh........:reading:

So I was super nervous about the tank drilling. I don't know why. It was a piece of cake! I would drill another tank again with no fears. I will admit though, borrowing the correct type of drill with an adjustable clutch and speed control was an absolute must. It came in extremely useful and probably helped me be successful :bounce2:

- prepping to drill -
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- prepping to drill -
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- template mounted -
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- SUCCESS!!!!! -
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- Only a small amount of what I would consider minor chipping -
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- And a couple shots of the hole in the glass panel -
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All right.... that was a big step. Now onto the fun stuff.... Like finishing up plumbing to this bulkhead and getting things wet with salt water!!!
 
Yes yes yes yes :thumbsup:, I can finally un-cross my fingers....was getting painful

Finally, now hurry up before I send you an abusive PM

And FINALLY... here's some for Bello. I don't want any abusive PM's floating my way. :blown: Maybe this will buy me some time before those start flowing

- all shimmed up and checking the level -
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- The wife and I successfully negotiated the new glass box and got the rockscape into the tank! -
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- Added in some of the dry sand.... Probably a little much in this pic -
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- I think we took a bit of sand out in this pic from the previous one. I have a 10 lbs back of live sand to add to help seed the system and get it started. I'm just not adding it until it's filled enough to cycle through the return pump -
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- WOOOOOO !!!!! :bounce3: First round of salt water pumped up into the display!!!! -
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- Hey look! More saltwater up in there! Slowly but surely we get it added in each day. Mixing in a brute garbage can out in the garage with a power head. Running 1 powerhead in DT to keep water in some motion until it's full enough to run through the overflow. Hopefully we should be running through the sump in the next day! -
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Only about 30-40 gallons to go and the DT and sump will be cycling. Then to finish putting the plumbing back together for the newly drilled Fuge. And then to fill that 75 gallon beast up and tie it into the system! I also have a 10 lbs bag of live sand to add into the sump when I bring it on line.

Once all that's going, it's off to cherry pick a few baseball/softball size pieces of live rock to add into the seeding of the system. Also need to start looking to seed some pods and such into the system.
 
:thumbsup: looks great Troub! You're officially outta the bunker, and prepping for battle :p

I'll broker a peacekeeping deal with Biggles for the timebeing if possible :p

First off, awesome progress! I can't believe your wife helps you with the tank :lol:...That itself ensures longevity of the setup/system, more than anything else....

You've changed the scape a bit? The area just in front of the overflow looks a bit off, but I'm guessing the live rock/coral you add will take care of that. :thumbsup:

I've still NEVER drilled, too much of a p**** to do it, but you look cool with the safety's :)

The rest of the plan sounds good, but just remember to take the cycling slow :)
 
It is awesome that your wife is helping (mine does too, which gives me someone to commiserate with when things don't go quite as expected). Anyway... your set up looks top-notch and it will be an amazing piece in your living room (although one could argue that it should be the ONLY piece in your living room, but we'll leave that for another day :) )
 
:thumbsup: looks great Troub! You're officially outta the bunker, and prepping for battle

I'll broker a peacekeeping deal with Biggles for the timebeing if possible

First off, awesome progress! I can't believe your wife helps you with the tank :lol:...That itself ensures longevity of the setup/system, more than anything else....

You've changed the scape a bit? The area just in front of the overflow looks a bit off, but I'm guessing the live rock/coral you add will take care of that.

I've still NEVER drilled, too much of a p**** to do it, but you look cool with the safety's :)

The rest of the plan sounds good, but just remember to take the cycling slow

Haha... yeah, I am out of the bunker now. But in the bunker I was warm and cozy. Now I'm out slogging around crawling through the pits in the line of fire. lol :fun2:

The glass was easy to drill. I would attempt it again without a doubt and have the confidence that it can be done. It was more difficult getting up the nerve to chance it then it was to drill it. But like I said, borrowing the correct drill was an important step.

I didn't really change the scape much from when I originally cemented it all together on the table. But the overflow isn't quite the same shape as the soda boxes I used to sculpt around. I knew I'd have to fidget the pieces around slightly once we got them in the box. So we had to do a light bit of rotating and shifting around to make it all snug inside the tank. The one tower on the left end by the overflow is the least stable of all the towers. Not that it's going to fall apart, just that pushing on the top in one specific direction is a little less stable. So I wanted to make sure it was rotated and wedged securely with the overflow and short rock piece at the base of the overflow.

Other then the minor rotations on those 2 towers flanking the overflow, the only other change(s) were the "random" little small rock pieces. We used to have a little 3-4 inch tall mini arch piece that was going to go in front of the overflow rocks and a 5 inch tall chunk of rock to go in the front left corner. After seeing the space in the tank with the big rocks in there. And the little rotation we put on the towers to snug them up. We decided that the taller 5 inch piece would fill the back left corner behind the tower nicely. And then we slid the short little arch piece from in front of the overflow to the foot of that left tower. Just because we wanted to open up the sand area a bit more and it looked good over there.

Remember, that shorty stack of rocks in front of the overflow has a 2 and 1/4 inch lift on it. We're hoping to get a goby/shrimp pair eventually. I thought with only a 2-2.5 inch sand bed, having the lift on that rock would make a solid roof for things to burrow down under that rock and still keep it stable. We will eventually see if that works out.

Adding the sand bed in definitely changes the look of the rockscape design some. But I knew that would happen. With the sand in there, the rocks feel smaller and a little undersized for the tank. But I'm ok with that for right now. Like you mentioned, once we're farther along and we have fish and some corals starting to fill in on the rocks. I don't think it will feel off anymore. Just need time to let the negative space fill in with corals. I tried to put some fair thought into a design that would give me space to let the corals grow in and still have some open sand / water area around the eventual thriving reef. :dance:

It is awesome that your wife is helping (mine does too, which gives me someone to commiserate with when things don't go quite as expected). Anyway... your set up looks top-notch and it will be an amazing piece in your living room (although one could argue that it should be the ONLY piece in your living room, but we'll leave that for another day)

Hey ifringe, thanks for the complement on the set up. It's really appreciated as I've just been planning and trying to learn as much as possible for the last year. It's definitely not done yet either, I've still got a lot to accomplish and tie in before it's running as intended. I need to run some electrical outlets, set up/plug in the skimmer, uv, heaters, etc. Finish getting the fuge plumbed back in and then fill that up. I've got another 50 or so pounds of sand for the fuge, plus additional dry rock that will be going into the sump/fuge filtration. And we haven't even gotten to getting my Reef Angel set up and lighting yet. Those things can come into play as we move forward and let the tank cycle and establish. But if you've seen the snails pace progress I've been making. These last few weeks have been HUGE and a lot of fun to finally get to. And now we at least have the DT and sump turning over the water to get the cycle going! :celeb3:

And my wife is awesome. It's definitely useful that she's willing to partake and help out! But most of it falls on me and she's more of a second pair of hands to help out and willing to give input to my research and ideas kind of assistant. Although don't kid yourself... when it comes to picking out what goes in the tank... then it's HER tank to put the animals in. :lmao: But I definitely think it's awesome she enjoys it and is willing to help me dabble in the hobby.

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As for the cycling process, don't worry. As with the rest of the build, we will be taking our sweet time. I'll just have to keep the Mrs. at bay from trying to immediately overstock the thank. :deadhorse1:

We got our salinity around 1.020 or so while filling the tank. I'll have to check it again tonight after we finished topping off the last of the RO water this morning to get it full. Obviously looking to slightly up that as we go. But there's still 75 - 85 gallons to mix into the system. And we can bring the salt content up as needed during the cycle and it shouldn't hurt anything, right?

Water temp (without heaters installed yet) was sitting around 79-80 last night and 77 this morning. With no animals in there, as long as we keep it in the 70-80 range for now, that's fine for setting up and cycling the tank, yes?

I'm going to get the protein skimmer running sometime between now and Sunday. I may end up having Thurs/Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon off work. Maybe lots of time to get some more things done!

Would it be worthwhile to start up the UV unit (which is already plumbed in) during the cycling process? I have some limited plugs available for now until I get the electrical run done. So I may have to pick and choose a few pieces to run until then.

Of course, if I have a long weekend. I'll be finishing up bringing the fuge on line. Maybe cherry pick some live rock to help seed the system and stuff.

Call it out if you see I'm missing things or if there are things I should be doing as I get the tank underway? Since it's my first salt set up and cycle, I'm open to recommendations from experience. Once I get the skimmer going... should I ghost feed a little or anything? Or will the live sand and cherry picked live rock be enough to jump start the cycle and get the system establishing? Right now, I've just got the powerheads in the DT with the return pump running to turn over the water until I can get back to dabbling this weekend.

Things have been slow today for me at the office. Getting towards the end of this project. Hence the giant book I just wrote. I hope all you dedicated reefers enjoy my ramblings today ;-)

Thanks for tuning in and until next time... I leave you with this:

- A FULL TANK OF SALT WATER THAT IS CYCLING!!!! :bounce3: -
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Hey ifringe, thanks for the complement on the set up. It's really appreciated as I've just been planning and trying to learn as much as possible for the last year. It's definitely not done yet either, I've still got a lot to accomplish and tie in before it's running as intended.

yup. Good planning is key, as well as the understanding that you are always learning. I've had my systems going for a long while now, and still find something new to learn all the time. That's a good thing.

Sounds like you've got a good solid plan, too... that always makes a tremendous difference!
david
 
Now that's what i call a bloody good update Troub - please note the number of pics included Bello......... there's no need to include pics of vagrants who wander in off the streets while you're working on the tank btw Troub, i hope you gave him something to eat other than a glass cookie...........:p

I'm really pleased for you mate, i bet you're happy to finally get the cycle going - get those fresh live rock pieces asap and wait till you see the cool stuff you can check out at night with a torch, you and your wife will love it :thumbsup:

:thumbsup: looks great Troub! You're officially outta the bunker, and prepping for battle :p

I'll broker a peacekeeping deal with Biggles for the timebeing if possible :p

The minute a coral hits that water it's on......... :strooper: Won't be long now until your wife is asking you ' why does rude aussie guy keep posting pics of his SCC in your journal honey....' :lol2:
 
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