A Splash of Color - My SPS Peninsula Reef

If you are adding other things to your water like the zeo guys and a portion of every days dose of additives gets grabbed by the skimmer along with the 30% food then you might be dropping back a cocktail of additives that could upset your acros.

There have been several research studies that show 70% of food is typically removed by skimmers. Particularly in the tanks with a high sump turnover.

In our aquaculture lab where we run NSW, no filter socks and automate feeding so we know the exact volume added it's slightly lower at 60%.

Wet skimming changes the numbers very little. Poor water movement in the tank raises the number as does relying on high sump turnover.

Tanks with sand beds have the same numbers, just more food is being consumed by other inhabitants than the fish. Which means their byproducts are constantly turned back into the water column.
 
I don't shut the skimmer off at night because i'm happy for the skimmer to remove the skimmate in 3-4 hours. I take the take the lid off the cup and quickly give the inside a swish with a toothbrush before opening the drain tap for a couple of seconds. Then i put the lid back on. I'm not following how removing the entire cup and letting the skimmer overflow would be an easier alternative.



What makes you draw that analogy BigJohnny ?
Ha I'm just messing around, someone said something about poo and I just followed that up.
 
There have been several research studies that show 70% of food is typically removed by skimmers. Particularly in the tanks with a high sump turnover.

In our aquaculture lab where we run NSW, no filter socks and automate feeding so we know the exact volume added it's slightly lower at 60%.

Wet skimming changes the numbers very little. Poor water movement in the tank raises the number as does relying on high sump turnover.

Tanks with sand beds have the same numbers, just more food is being consumed by other inhabitants than the fish. Which means their byproducts are constantly turned back into the water column.

Thanks for that info mate, the only place i have sand is in the large overflow at one end but it's crawling with life that can't exist in the BB display. The life in the sand bed is always most active after lights out which coincides with the best feeding time for the corals imo, the flow across my bare bottom blows all the pods away lol.

Ha I'm just messing around, someone said something about poo and I just followed that up.

That someone would be potty mouth Matt........... i've dosed five days worth in one go just to see what happened and then wouldn't be too many that haven't seen a few days worth go into their tank when the skimmer has a dummy spit. You know you want to try it Matt........ it's not a radical thing at all and it's very different to reef paste because it's loaded with bacteria and decaying organics...........

Bernie, i might see if Kevin will help me make a short video of the whole procedure. I need to get him away from his mate Dave who's a stoner roo and not a good influence at all.......

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Bibarassa i haven't tested phos or nitrates for about 6 weeks but i'll get the Elos phos and Salifert nitrate kits out for you tomorrow mate :)

Since Bibarassa's post was deleted you look quite crazy now Matt lol. :crazy1:

I don't even know how the whole poo thing got started Reeftub, looking back it all seemed to go south when Sahin piped up....... typical :rolleyes:

The horrida is looking very bright and recovering well. Unfortunately it's taken to flipping me the bird when i take it's pic.

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All the stages of recovery in one pic :)

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Andrew, you KNOW I'm gonna try skimmate in the tank!
I'm probably still too nutrient rich, however..
I would think that the law of diminishing returns would be in play here - the higher the nutrients are in your system, the less effective or beneficial this method would be... If the tank is very nutrient poor, I would think that this method would be more effective..
This is totally my speculation...
 
Thanks for that info mate, the only place i have sand is in the large overflow at one end but it's crawling with life that can't exist in the BB display. The life in the sand bed is always most active after lights out which coincides with the best feeding time for the corals imo, the flow across my bare bottom blows all the pods away lol.



That someone would be potty mouth Matt........... i've dosed five days worth in one go just to see what happened and then wouldn't be too many that haven't seen a few days worth go into their tank when the skimmer has a dummy spit. You know you want to try it Matt........ it's not a radical thing at all and it's very different to reef paste because it's loaded with bacteria and decaying organics...........

Bernie, i might see if Kevin will help me make a short video of the whole procedure. I need to get him away from his mate Dave who's a stoner roo and not a good influence at all.......

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Bibarassa i haven't tested phos or nitrates for about 6 weeks but i'll get the Elos phos and Salifert nitrate kits out for you tomorrow mate :)

Since Bibarassa's post was deleted you look quite crazy now Matt lol. :crazy1:

I don't even know how the whole poo thing got started Reeftub, looking back it all seemed to go south when Sahin piped up....... typical :rolleyes:

The horrida is looking very bright and recovering well. Unfortunately it's taken to flipping me the bird when i take it's pic.

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All the stages of recovery in one pic :)

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"Potty Mouth" here....wait till you hear the extreme words I use next:jester:

I don't doubt that skimmate paste works...I was just stating that someone here will go too far and come back screaming:P Hey I'm the one who feeds milk and honey and you think I'm crazy for that:lolspin: I still think some people think Im joking about doing that....
 
My secret is to dose 1 scoop of the pre-workout supplement "jack3d" per 50 gallons of water daily. Gives my sps insane pumps
 
Andrew, we are all waiting for your short video

I shall try to do it for you tonight buddy, the sump dartfish won't like it.......

Looking good as always mate :)

Thanks Scotty :)

Andrew, you KNOW I'm gonna try skimmate in the tank!
I'm probably still too nutrient rich, however..
I would think that the law of diminishing returns would be in play here - the higher the nutrients are in your system, the less effective or beneficial this method would be... If the tank is very nutrient poor, I would think that this method would be more effective..
This is totally my speculation...

Another question.. Do you use the liquid skimmate or the solid gunk.. Or both?

Lol it was a given that you'd boldy go where others fear to tread Matt.......

It's actually very effective for systems with high cyano/GHA issues. You buggers are still missing the big picture. So many have algae/cyano issues yet their acros are pale and washed out and tests come back as zero or very low on phos and nitrates. If you don't correct it you will see the acros eventually begin to brown out more and more as the acros rely more and more on zoa for nutrition which results in the zoa over populating and the acro being annoyed further by the excess hydrogen peroxide now being produced and so they eventually expel the zoa and go bye byes.....

Cyano and algae infested systems are more ULN than many realise. The system as a whole is nutrient rich and that's what your eyes see so you either cut back food trying to starve it out or ignore the algae/cyano and deal with the ULN readings you're getting and feed aminos and such trying to 'color up' the acros. Trouble is the cyano and or algae love that kinda concentrated liquid fertiliser so they strip it during daylight and when the acros come to the dinner table each night the plate is pretty empty.......

The system is nutrient rich but the water is being maintained as ULN by the algae/cyano. You don't have to use skimmate, as long as you dose the tank after lights out AND it is with something you're very confident the acros will actually gain nutrition from AND you're confident you can strip most of it out before the lights come on then you should feel confident that what you're doing is beneficial to the acros and won't make your poopy looking acros look even worse. If i was confident the vast majority of reef roids was removed each night i would dose it every night in larger amounts. It doesn't have to be roids, you guys have lots of good stuff i cant get like chilli etc and as long as it's a good product it will do the same thing.
I know it isn't because i've seen cyano thrive when i tried doing it a while back and guess what, the acros also lost their shine as the acros began taking on more zoa to compensate for the very aggressive stripping that cyano seems capable of.
During lights on my display is almost devoid of algae or anything else and looks very barren to me, yet at night there are literally hundreds and hundreds of snails up to 1/2" in size on the glass, bottom and all over the rocks. I tested the water this morning and phos using the Elos high res phos kit came up 0.02 and Salifert nitrate was almost undetectable. Looking sideways through the vial with a white card behind it i saw a very faint hint of pink, prob somewhere between zero and 2. The water is ULN and the display looks the same but i can keep a large population of snails thriving and breeding whilst seeing no algae. The only place i see any algae is on the front grid of the pumps because that's the only place the snails can't graze without being blown 3 ft across the tank. Your pumps are just as important as a visual indicator as watching the rate of algae growth on your front glass when you rely almost entirely on visual indicators for your SPS keeping.
Snails are terrific for your SPS tank because as long as you're somewhere close to getting your water right they will self regulate their numbers to deal with and imbalance to a great extent. As you gain more confidence keeping SPS you feed more and the snails breed more to mow your tank lawn.

Sorry for the ramble lol, got carried away again but when i write this stuff i mean 'in my opinion' a lot but i can't be stuffed writing it all over the place. My whole journal is a IMO and i talk about a lot of obvious stuff most of you already know but newer guys and gals usually struggle for a time to get their head around just how many different things are going on in their tanks and putting it the way i do makes it easier to get your head around than just throwing out numbers which doesn't help much if you have no real clue why changing this has suddenly resulted in more of that lol.

I joke around way too much but i will never suggest ideas or methods to you guys that would hurt your tanks. I just ramble so you think a bit more about your filtration and how to achieve the balance you want at the spot you want to keep it with the least amount of acro keeping stress. :)

"Potty Mouth" here....wait till you hear the extreme words I use next:jester:

I don't doubt that skimmate paste works...I was just stating that someone here will go too far and come back screaming:P Hey I'm the one who feeds milk and honey and you think I'm crazy for that:lolspin: I still think some people think Im joking about doing that....

Lol Matt, i used the potty for the poo reference not because it was overly rude. I wasn't having a swipe at you at all mate, ' you're an idiot Sahin ' - see that's what i'd call having a go at someone. Obviously that was just an example and not a true indication of what i think of my good mate Sahin........:love1:

Btw mate, since you're a ROTM (knowitall) can you remind me what the name of the enzyme is that the acro produces to deal with hydrogen peroxide normally associated with the photosynthetic process occurring within the zoa. Photoinhibition is obviously the commonest way to 'poison' your acros but i need the name of that bloody enzyme...... :wave:

Skim or whole milk?

Don't even think about it Mark.......:facepalm:

Whole milk, ~40ML, 2 drops honey dosed after dark.

You're an idiot Matt :p

This is what the tank looks like for the dawn period with just a couple of coral + and blue + tubes on. It's a mess with stuff everywhere as usual but i'm pondering my next scape move atm lol...... things be a growin btw......

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biggles wiki:

IMO - something that when said is a fact in biggles journal.
 
Andrew, I'd follow you off the end of the earth in search of some of your powder blue and flaming pink girly corals!!!!
Now I'm gone get edjumicated by reading your latest dissertation. :)
 
First there was Wikipedia. Now, just out, for all you Reefers, daant, daant, Daaaa.
Bigglespedia. LOL

Marty



biggles wiki:

IMO - something that when said is a fact in biggles journal.
 
Nice discussion on the previous page Andrew. Always love reading your rambles. Though I'll have you know I'm not terribly impressed with the "idiot sahin" example... For that, you'd better be recording a nice video of your tank for me to drool over...to make up for it. Or else matey...:uzi::uzi::uzi:
 
Nice discussion on the previous page Andrew. Always love reading your rambles. Though I'll have you know I'm not terribly impressed with the "idiot sahin" example... For that, you'd better be recording a nice video of your tank for me to drool over...to make up for it. Or else matey...:uzi::uzi::uzi:

Hmmmm, i think someone has been snooping on my youtube page....... :)

I was just using you as an example mate because i assumed everyone would know the last person i'd think that of would be my good mate Sahin. :beer:

I want to make it very clear to everyone that there is to be no name calling on my journal. Something as innocent as 'and they wonder we we call them whinging poms' could easily be misinterpreted by another member as an insult - even more likely if the person is an idiot to boot. Let's keep it friendly and as always i'll lead by example :thumbsup:

This is some of that thickety fine branched staggy thing i have growing in lower light around the back. Same one as Wrangy's frag i glued to the rock with the monti and horrida.

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A gratuitous fish feeding video. They get the same amount of flake and mini pellets three times a day along with 2 mysis cubes every second day. I also feed nori every day, about the size of a toilet paper roll square. I give them 2 every second day so lots goes in at once and everyone gets plenty. One cube is devoured so fast the little Anthias and royal gramma miss out on most of it.
You should be able to see what i mean by looking very ULN with hardly any visible algae at all. I removed the phos bag 5 days after putting it back in when i saw everything suddenly begin looking washed out. It's staying out for the foreseeable future but i can see myself using it again perhaps when sand is back in the display.

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