About to give up saltwater
- Thread starter Fabuis
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Mad_Reefer
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I had a crappy experience starting this hobby. I had sick fish and very little help. I lost some fish early on in the learning process. You are already ahead of where I was because you found this place. It took me a few months of failing before I found wet web media. I bought the book 'Reef Invertebrates' and learned what works for me. I lost a few more fish after that time, but I can see the mistakes now. And now I have a little experience, but still learning more every day. If you don't enjoy the learning, give up. Otherwise, slow down and learn all you can. Act slowly. Nothing good happens fast.
Fish Friend
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I told OP to ignore trolls, not advice
A wild caught fish cannot just be dumped into the human world with expensive equipment, it requires attention to the fish, not only the "gear".
A Tank-Takedown fish, can easily have genetic weakness, that would have ended it's life in nature even faster. In the tank it will have survived longer, covering the inherent weakness.
It is not always the tank or the aquarian who is to blame for fish death.
That is a constant human excuse: we risk to kill the fish, there is no way around that. Telling people who cannot find the cause of their fishes dying that it -must be- their fault, is not very factual.
When people are negative, without factual reason, it qualifies as trolling in most contexts.
In nature fishes spawn huge numbers. They also die constantly and have a relatively high mutation-chance compare to the mutation locked animals that never really change much.
The fish could have died from genetic weakness or damage it got from being better up and about etc etc etc.
It does not always have to be about quarantine tanks, buying medicine for ich that was never there or similar.
Fish stress.
They can die because someone watched them for too many hours and forgot they need 12h to detox - every time they are stressed by any factor.
Until the 12h has passed, nothing in their body actually work.
Fish Friend
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*Tank-Takedown* ?
I was writing tank-raised but I hope I was clear enough
I just wanted to keep the OP's spirit up
I was writing tank-raised but I hope I was clear enough
I just wanted to keep the OP's spirit up
Fish Friend
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*better up* sry meant Nettet Up!
is there no option to edit my own post?
well, im sorry for the typos!
is there no option to edit my own post?
well, im sorry for the typos!
Mark9
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I told OP to ignore trolls, not advice
A wild caught fish cannot just be dumped into the human world...
Well, tbh, you are saying alot of really odd things and trying to move all the responsibility off the OP and onto everyone else, from fish genetics to watching them too much? really?
Come on, the guy is killing easy fish, chromis, clowns, etc.
I'm not saying I never lost a fish, but obviously the OP is doing something wrong.
CrayolaViolence
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No one needs to kill chromis. They do a fine job of that on their own.
sde1500
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I told OP to ignore trolls, not advice
A wild caught fish cannot just be dumped into the human world with expensive equipment, it requires attention to the fish, not only the "gear".
A Tank-Takedown fish, can easily have genetic weakness, that would have ended it's life in nature even faster. In the tank it will have survived longer, covering the inherent weakness.
It is not always the tank or the aquarian who is to blame for fish death.
That is a constant human excuse: we risk to kill the fish, there is no way around that. Telling people who cannot find the cause of their fishes dying that it -must be- their fault, is not very factual.
When people are negative, without factual reason, it qualifies as trolling in most contexts.
In nature fishes spawn huge numbers. They also die constantly and have a relatively high mutation-chance compare to the mutation locked animals that never really change much.
The fish could have died from genetic weakness or damage it got from being better up and about etc etc etc.
It does not always have to be about quarantine tanks, buying medicine for ich that was never there or similar.
Fish stress.
They can die because someone watched them for too many hours and forgot they need 12h to detox - every time they are stressed by any factor.
Until the 12h has passed, nothing in their body actually work.
Who would you determine to be a troll then? OP said he is thinking of quitting, and rushed a lot which didn't work out. Some simply said maybe the hobby isn't for you. That's not trolling, that's making an observation. No hobby is for everyone. But I'm sure we all would also like seeing new hobbyists start a tank and enjoy our passion as well, its why we are all here no?
Obviously fish die sometimes for no reason we can determine. Even the best people on these boards have lost fish. They go through a lot to get to our tanks. You mentioned tank raised a lot, but the VAST majority of fish aren't tank raised, including most of the fish OP got, clowns excluded. And what is more likely, 4 chromis, a blenny, two clowns, and a bta all had genetic defects? Or the tank wasn't really cycled well enough to handle them, and they died from being mishandled by someone new to the hobby. I don't think anyone here is trying to point blame and be mean, just identifying the most likely cause. Cardinal rule of the hobby, go slow, nothing good happens fast.
Fabuis, I'd say stick it out, but take some suggestions from this thread, and read a bit more from the stickies in this forum section. We all make mistakes. I've only been in the hobby a couple years, so I'm still making some. It certainly isn't an easy hobby, but when the tank is looking good, corals are growing, and fish look happy, its a great hobby.
