sandwi54
New member
I don't. I prophylactically treat every fish in QT with Cupramine for 4 weeks to eliminate ich prior to adding to my DT.
Achilles Tangs
- Thread starter RxMike
- Start date
I don't. I prophylactically treat every fish in QT with Cupramine for 4 weeks to eliminate ich prior to adding to my DT.
Ammonia has been 0. Was a cycled qt.
I really think these fish need to go into larger cycled qt with at least alot of flow. Without any swings in ammonia.
Going to try tomorrow with one more achilles that have been already qt for 3 weeks.
Would you guys throw him in the display tank knowing it has been qt with cupramine a good 3 weeks. Or always qt with your own method before introducing to the display.
I just want to be and get successful with these fish.
Achilles
Achilles
Update...I had a spare Mp40 sitting around so i decided to add it to the 55 gallon Qt the Achilles is in. I turned it on low, the fish became re energized. it began swimming, after about 5 minutes I noticed it started to accept pieces of nori floating in the water column.....It is remarkable to see how the achilles loves flow...I have my fingers crossed...I am praying this fish pulls through this....
The Mp40 seems to be the best intervention i did so far.
Achilles
Update...I had a spare Mp40 sitting around so i decided to add it to the 55 gallon Qt the Achilles is in. I turned it on low, the fish became re energized. it began swimming, after about 5 minutes I noticed it started to accept pieces of nori floating in the water column.....It is remarkable to see how the achilles loves flow...I have my fingers crossed...I am praying this fish pulls through this....
The Mp40 seems to be the best intervention i did so far.
Mrscribbled
Team RC
Good deal, you could run it wide open in the 55 and still isn't close to their natural environment. Just curious what size tank will he be going in? I have one in an 8 foot 180 gallon tank. I'm running 1 mp 60 wide open and 3 korilia 7s, plus a mag 18 return pump. He loves water flow.
My DT is a 300 gallon reef. I don't recall exact dimensions but they are something like 78 wide 36 high and 28 deep.(again I might be off slightly) I have two MP60, one on each side and the MP40 I am using on the 55 usually sits in the middle. I took the 40 down after I recently did some aqua scaling and did not get a chance to put it back into the DT.
MrTuskfish
Team RC
I've had over 1000 gals of ich-free DTs for well over 20 years. Anyone I ask for advice has ich-free tanks also. People just don't last long in our hobby if they are constantly battling ich.
I'm sorry you lost this fish, but hope you don't try another one.
My Achilles is till hanging on...I am hoping that it regains strength... Their is so much controversy in this hobby. Some say don't do water changes while in QT... Others say important to keep excellent water quality
I am going to keep him in QT for a total of 4 weeks. Before it goes into the DT
I am doing water changes on days I am not treating I will stick the course with quick cure for three weeks and pray for the best
I am going to keep him in QT for a total of 4 weeks. Before it goes into the DT
I am doing water changes on days I am not treating I will stick the course with quick cure for three weeks and pray for the best
geaux xman
New member
I QT two 4" achilles(at separate times) in a 29g with an mp10 and a aquaclear hob filter without issue. One came from DD and another from the LFS. Both was eating well when I got it, so I started Cupramine treatment within a few days. .4-.5ppm Cupramine for 3-4 weeks without issue.
I would consider ditching the quick-cure and go with cupramine. Although, it might be a moot point if all the fish in your DT wasnt prophylactically treated.
Either that or just learn to live with ich, which is playing with fire when keeping an achilles.
JMO. G'luck with the fish.
I would consider ditching the quick-cure and go with cupramine. Although, it might be a moot point if all the fish in your DT wasnt prophylactically treated.
Either that or just learn to live with ich, which is playing with fire when keeping an achilles.
JMO. G'luck with the fish.
No Ich in my DT and I do not want it there...So I will QT this fish...
Ok what do people think about this strategy I might consider.
I am going to do the Quick cure for a total of 7 days.. I will do a very good water change.. then consider going to cupramine
I was at Absolutely Fish today....a LFS here in NJ.
Has anyone heard of exodin? It is made by aqua medic
the main ingredients are acetic acid and dimethylglycol it is a treatment for velvet and is also active against ich
I was advised that this is a very good agent to have on hand. Does anyone have any experience with it? It also is supposed to not harm inverts.
I have never heard of this agent. Anyone ever use it? If so for what?
Ok what do people think about this strategy I might consider.
I am going to do the Quick cure for a total of 7 days.. I will do a very good water change.. then consider going to cupramine
I was at Absolutely Fish today....a LFS here in NJ.
Has anyone heard of exodin? It is made by aqua medic
the main ingredients are acetic acid and dimethylglycol it is a treatment for velvet and is also active against ich
I was advised that this is a very good agent to have on hand. Does anyone have any experience with it? It also is supposed to not harm inverts.
I have never heard of this agent. Anyone ever use it? If so for what?
Ostara
Keep Calm and Reef On
Frankly I would stop the QuickCure now. Formalin (as in, formaldehyde) is very harsh; I have only ever heard of it being used as baths on marine fish, not as an in-tank treatment. Formalin baths are the only treatment for brooklynella and I'm sure it is harsh enough to kill the free-swimming stage of crypt, but probably only in a concentration great enough to seriously damage or kill the fish. This is why it is not considered one of the three effective treatments for marine ich.
I would do a large water change to get rid of as much of the formalin as possible and begin treating with Cupramine for four full weeks. Achilles tangs do very well with it and, considering how susceptible they are, they really must be treated proactively for both their own safety and for that of your other fish. Since you already know he has it, start treating now and make sure he is squeaky clean before letting him anywhere near your display.
I have not heard of anyone using exodin; it sounds like another useless "reef-safe" treatment that does not eradicate parasites. Hyposalinity, copper, and tank transfer are the ONLY three methods that will get rid of ich, and the first is rapidly falling out of favor over concerns of its effectiveness. If you don't do one of these treatments, you are not doing anything to combat the ich. If you are leery about the Cupramine you have on hand, go buy another bottle from a different source. I wouldn't waste any more time though. Achilles can go down fast from crypt. Good luck with him.
I would do a large water change to get rid of as much of the formalin as possible and begin treating with Cupramine for four full weeks. Achilles tangs do very well with it and, considering how susceptible they are, they really must be treated proactively for both their own safety and for that of your other fish. Since you already know he has it, start treating now and make sure he is squeaky clean before letting him anywhere near your display.
I have not heard of anyone using exodin; it sounds like another useless "reef-safe" treatment that does not eradicate parasites. Hyposalinity, copper, and tank transfer are the ONLY three methods that will get rid of ich, and the first is rapidly falling out of favor over concerns of its effectiveness. If you don't do one of these treatments, you are not doing anything to combat the ich. If you are leery about the Cupramine you have on hand, go buy another bottle from a different source. I wouldn't waste any more time though. Achilles can go down fast from crypt. Good luck with him.
Mrscribbled
Team RC
Ladipyg
New member
Achilles tangs are "wave zone / surf zone tangs...they hang around in the area where there is the most water movement, lots of oxygen, they love being tossed around. I think that being in a calm tank would be stressful for them. When I had an Achilles tang, I built 2 wave makers out of 5 gallon buckets, a toliet bowl flapper and a pump and a few other things. I had one at each end of the tank. I never saw a happier fish than that one. He stayed in the surf zone...sometimes he seemed to play a game with himself, going from one zone to the other to catch as much movement as he could. I always thought of them as Jacuzzi fish, they loved to be in the torrent of bubbles.
unless you QT everything, i mean snails, shrimp, corals, i mean everything live/coming from anywhere other than your own system for 4-8 weeks with no fish. that's going to be hard to have no ich in DT. just dont seem worth it to do that much just for ich. as long as your fish is healthy and in a low stress tank, i have never have issue with ich killing any of my fishs.(i did lost a few when i first start this hobby.)
as inverts don't carry itch parasite,only risk lies in the water they were packed in from source/whole-sellers.....a good and trusted LFS should have counter measures against that....
coral should be QT-ed anyway....even someone like Peter(nineball http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2096730&page=24) having trouble of flat-warms and going to loose most acros....he is now making full-scale coral QT(earlier he used dip only)...
Dmorty217
Saltwater Addict
+1 this plus proper QT are the keys to keeping Achilles successfully in the home aquarium
Thank you for the information. I am going to go with cupramine. Do you all use the test kit? I never used this before. i had Pointex a copper based medication that did not require monitoring of levels.
First time with cupramine. I need to learn how to use this. My QT is a 55. I am going to dose for total of 40 gallons. As I don't want to overdo the medication. How does that sound to those of you with more experience.
First time with cupramine. I need to learn how to use this. My QT is a 55. I am going to dose for total of 40 gallons. As I don't want to overdo the medication. How does that sound to those of you with more experience.
sandwi54
New member
I QT EVERYTHING, including chaetomorpha. Any experienced aquarists would QT everything, so yes, we don't have ich in our tanks.
Ambition
New member
I have had ich in my QT tanks, but never in a display because I treat for ich after the fish settle in. Then I set up a second QT tank for everything else that is live going into the tank. Corals should be QTd whether you are doing an ich free tank or not. The pests they can bring in are numerous. My inverts, macros, etc go into this tank usually.
