achillies & pb can it be done?????

[DouzeCordes]

Here's my two cents on this subject: It is simply bad advice to recommend keeping a pbt & achilles together in the same 180g tank. I have seen this attempted multiple times before by very knowledgeable people with very bad results. These fish will try to drive each other away and fight constantly in smaller tanks.

 

[monkeyreefer]

more 2 cents: i keep a sailfin, achilles, and naso in an 8 foot, 300 gal tank and there is some scrapping now and then, mostly between the sailfin and the achilles, with the sailfin being the aggressor most of the time.

 

[asmodeus]

Im my 170 i had a FOWLR, in there i had a scopas ,yellow, lavender ,anda Kole, the two worst were the yellow and the scopas. THe Lavender tang and the kole getting along better then the other two yard apes that i ahd in there ,but the YT and the scopas are gone.

Achillies are beauitful fish along with the P Brown tang my 2 favorites too.

 

[heap]

i wonder if smoking powder blue tangs is dangerous.

 

[clkwrk]

I wouldn't put them together either IMO .

BTW I have had very good luck with PBT's I have 2 . One I got when it was the size of a silver dollar and he is now with my bluespot unicorn in my 180 . As much as I wan't to add one of my other tangs into the mix ( I have more than 1 0r 2 tanks ) I wont cause the rest of my tangs have the same body shape as the PBT and my PBT is aggressive no doubt. I have had him since 2003.

Here is one of my PBT and my bluespot when he was with this one.

The bluespot is now with this other PBT in my 180 .

also here is a picture of the blue spot just a little over a year ago . Naso's grow extreamly quick.

Here is the blue spot when he was still very small. I like growing them from babies :d

 

[taflaw]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7222407#post7222407 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by heap
i wonder if smoking powder blue tangs is dangerous.

It is dangerous to the Powder Blue tangs (i.e., smoking them) but my opinion is flawed because I refuse to state how this research / theory was done, etc. ))

"In order for any scientist to prove that [smoking powder blue tangs is dangerous] we would need about 10,000 people to agree to live in a controlled environment for about 40 years, of which x number of people would be smokers through out and smoke at a given pace, and x number of people would be none smokers. as you can see from the above this is a theory that will never be proven." -citation omitted


Kidding aside, in Hawaii, members of the surgeonfish family (including Achilles tangs) are highly valued as a healthy food source.

 

[taflaw]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7224620#post7224620 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clkwrk
I wouldn't put them together either IMO .
Here is the blue spot when he was still very small. I like growing them from babies :d

Do you know what the average life span in captivity is for this fish? I imagine the Powder Blue you raised as a baby will be around for a long time, 5 to 10 years?

 

[clkwrk]

Thats a picture of a baby blue spot unicorn . As for the baby powder blue I will have to see if I have any pics . I wasn't into taking pictures back then however I have had the one PBT for 4 years.........I would believe they would have a 10-20 year lifespan but thats a wild guess. We have a maroon clown that is pushing 10 same with a bicolor which is pushing 7 in tanked lfe.

 

[Opcn]

Denadai, Even with all the horrible diets Brazil still has more cosmetic Surgery than the US, I think that boils it down to the fact that if people are willing to accept a loss (ie become fat) But if they care too much then they go to another unhappy extreme. I think the Key is to wieght the odds, and if the high probablility of desease outbreak in your tank is a risk that someone out there is willing to take (ie the lives of all the picsene inhabitants of there tanks) thenthere isn't much we can do about it.

Hmm, I seem to have forgotten where I was going, oh well

 

[taflaw]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7224768#post7224768 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clkwrk
Thats a picture of a baby blue spot unicorn . As for the baby powder blue I will have to see if I have any pics . I wasn't into taking pictures back then however I have had the one PBT for 4 years.........I would believe they would have a 10-20 year lifespan but thats a wild guess. We have a maroon clown that is pushing 10 same with a bicolor which is pushing 7 in tanked lfe.

I have had my Powder Blue for less than a year and this fish is about the same size as yours.....I am hoping my Powder Blue is younger than 4 years old. I am sure they grow faster and live longer in the wild, but I am surprised how much food this fish consumes daily. It is a beast !!!!

 

[clkwrk]

PBT's don't grow as quick as you think ...........Although the naso's do

 

[taflaw]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7224802#post7224802 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by clkwrk
PBT's don't grow as quick as you think ...........

Would you say about an inch per year would be average growth rates for Powder Blue tangs based on your experience ?

 

[clkwrk]

Not at all .........here is the one thats in the 180 now about 3 years ago

And here is a better one from a month agi.

 

[Lord Voldemort]

Compared to this guy...
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=784797
http://reefcentral.com/gallery/showgallery.php?cat=500&ppuser=112748&thumb=1

 

[DouzeCordes]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=7121107#post7121107 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by downlimit
neilbowden- simple answer to your question is yes, it can be done. It all depends on your own apptitude and ability. If you are going to guide your decision based on DISCLAIMERS from retailers, then no you should never intermix fish that look similar. However, I have attached a pick in which you will see a naso tang, several surgeon fish, a pbt and others similar to the achilles, so it boils down to you, can you do it, do you want to do it, and do you feel comfortable doing it. If you dont have the time to provide them with the husbandry needed, dont do it. If you do go for it.

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Hcrk has another thread going in the Large Reef Tanks forum about his 800 gallon reef. It contains, among other fish, an achilles, powder brown and powder blue. This is what he said about mixing these types of tangs together:

"The fish will spar from time to time, but the aquarium is large enough to allow the weaker combatant to move away (escape).
Let me say this, however, in my view, you should certainly NOT try to keep a large number of tangs in a small tank or even mid size tank. Although they are beautiful, they are extremely territorial."

There is nothing wrong with using "disclaimers" to help guide people into making informed decisions. These fish are very territorial and there is a reason why ichthyologists and marine biologists advise against adding them to the same tank, unless you can provide them with a very large home.






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[taflaw]

Question for Neilbowden

Question for Neilbowden

Neilbowden, what did you end up doing? Did you purchase a powder blue or achilles or both? If so, what happened?