Algae Scrubber Basics

Oh sorry I didn't mean califlow with bean animal plumbing, just the bean animal plumbing (if it doesn't work ill place my ats above the tank and feed with the return).
Anyways do you think 144watts and a screen of 20x10 will work?
and great buy on that 120 tank.
 
Oh sorry I didn't mean califlow with bean animal plumbing, just the bean animal plumbing (if it doesn't work ill place my ats above the tank and feed with the return).
Anyways do you think 144watts and a screen of 20x10 will work?
and great buy on that 120 tank.

12x20. That's enough for 240gallons
 
sorry i meant 20x10 i changed my post

Still. That's enough for 200gal. Its not bad to go over though because lets say you put a lot of fish in that 140. You need a scrubber of adiquate size to remove all the ammonia and what not created by the extra fish. The more fish, the more of a scrubber you need.
 
One thing to note, when you say "doubled up screen" are you thinking of using 2 screens back to back? If so, do not do this. If you rough up one screen enough, it will have all the algae holding power you need. Double screens were attempted and the result was to advise against their use due to many factors.

Care to elaborate?
 
I think the idea originally was to provide more surface area for the algae to adhere to. I believe it became problematic when it came to cleaning the screen, because there was no reliable method for adhering the screens together, because during cleaning they would separate and then what do you do. Over time I think it was realized that significantly roughing the screen up allow all the anchoring area needed. I can attest to this, I roughed my screen up to the point where it was almost falling apart (at the edges, it actually did) and I have never had a problem with algae detachment
 
done with my scrubber.
however, my problem is the the water not wetting the whole screen.
flow is good, but there are some spots that werent wet.

help for a sol'n is appreciated.
 
done with my scrubber.
however, my problem is the the water not wetting the whole screen.
flow is good, but there are some spots that werent wet.

help for a sol'n is appreciated.

Please post some pictures of your newly build scrubber.
Also if you don't mind include pictures of your tank in it current state. Please do not feel ashamed if it not looking good at the moment, we will soon fix that. :fun2:

Also is describe your tank and build, tank size, screen size, lights used etc...

Thank you
 
Here is another SPS tank that uses only an algae scrubber

From another site said:
"Skimmerless since the 10th of Jan [2009]. Obviously the ATS was running for a while before I switched the skimmer off. I didn't have an increase in PO4 or NO3 from day 1. Both have been undetectable since then."

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Please post some pictures of your newly build scrubber.
Also if you don't mind include pictures of your tank in it current state. Please do not feel ashamed if it not looking good at the moment, we will soon fix that. :fun2:

Also is describe your tank and build, tank size, screen size, lights used etc...

Thank you

ATS screen size is 8x7
using 23 watts 5000 kelvin (2)
8inch diameter reflector
will take pics soon.
 
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This is a very old post from SantaMonica, it gives a good basic understanding of the SM100 he builds. The spray bar is no longer used in place now is the slit design.

REMEMBER THIS POST WAS FROM BACK IN 2007, BEFORE MOST OF THE BASIC RULES WE USE ON ALGAE SCRUBBERS TODAY.

LOOK AT IS AS A LITTLE HISTORY LESSON.

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I want to build a cheap and easy turf algea filter, primarily to knock down N and P. After reading about the superior nutrient uptake of turf algea compared to other macros, and after seeing that there are really no units for sale anywhere, I thought I'd see what I could (easily) build myself in about a day. After all, we are just trying to get water to splash across a screen that is lit up. It's shouldn't be this hard to do.

So I came to realize the hardest thing to build would be the device that sloshes the water across the screen; the two prevailing methods were a dump bucket, and a rotating wheel. Both seemed difficult to build. So I thought, those methods are going through a lot of work to get water from point A to point B; why not just let the water fall on it's own (like a waterfall)? Think vertical, instead of horizontal.

So the idea came to just tilt the screen up vertically, and let the water slosh down the screen. Here are the advantages to building a waterfall version of a turf algea filter instead of one of the other versions:


o The turf algea screen can be lit from BOTH SIDES.

o Extremely simple design, about as complex as a HOB overflow (and may even be able to use the same HOB box.)

o There are NO MOVING PARTS at all.

o You get to choose any (low cost) water pump size you wish, and keep it wherever you wish (sump or otherwise).

o You get choose to have the pump on continuously (very easy to do), or pulsed with a timer to simulate waves.

o You don't have to move or turn off the lights to get to and scrape the screen; just slide the screen up out of the box.

o The unit can fit right over (and drain into) a sump if desired.

o There is NO dumping-bucket to build or deal with or wear out.

o There is NO rotating wheel or drum to build or deal with or wear out.

o There is NOTHING to break or clog.

o VERY cheap and EASY to build (main item required: a square acrylic box.)

o Theoretically, would have no no dumping sound to listen to.

o Theoretically, would have no microbubbles.

o Theoretically, would be half the size of a one-sided filter (since it is lit from both sides).



Drawbacks:

Not designed to provide a surge to display tank.
Not designed to douse the screen with high-velocity water (like a dumping bucket would).
May give tint to water; may need carbon to clear it.



"Open" Option:

For an even easier setup that is almost free to build (all that is needed is a pvc tube with holes or a slit in it), you can just not use a box at all, by just placing the screen vertically over your sump, and use your existing sump/fuge lighting (or else add small light on both sides of the screen. This version might not be as effective since the lights may not be as bright (or as near). And you'll need to figure out how to attach the spraybar to the top of the screen. But talk about simple! You don't have to open anything at all in order to scrape the screen!


Anyway, remember that I have not built this yet, since I wanted to get input first. My current tank is about 100 gal, and I seem to remember a recomemdation of once square inch of screen per gal, so that would be 100 square inches for me (10 X 10). Pretty small. But the two big unknowns are: Can it be smaller since it's lit on both sides, and, will it perform less since the water will not be "surging" as much.

Here's the basic cutout of an acrylic box, is open on the top, and closed on the bottom. Note the drain hole on the bottom too:
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Add the algea screen; could be held in place with a slot or rail or pegs:
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Add the spraybar over the top; a piece of pvc drilled on the bottom, or slit from one side to the other. It fits in the the circular cutouts in the box:
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A standard light, placed vertically; this one is facing towards you:
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A standard light, placed vertically; this one is facing away from you:
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Both lights:
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This is how the lights would be attached to the box:
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Keeping with the theme of history, the Smithsonian Marine Station at Fort Pierce has used algae scrubbers as the "most important life support" of their tanks.

Here is a quote from the link below.
http://www.sms.si.edu/smee/behindthescenes.htm

"Biological Filtration
The most important life support system employed at the exhibit is the one used to control the buildup of inorganic nitrogen and phosphorus, which is excreted by all aquatic animals. In the small controlled environments of our model ecosystems, inorganic nitrogen in the form of ammonia and nitrites can quickly reach toxic levels, while elevated nitrates (which can also reach toxic levels) and phosphates are often associated with algae blooms. In natural waters, these nutrients are maintained at nearly undetectable levels by organisms like seagrasses, phytoplankton, algae, and to a lesser extent certain specialized bacteria.

Over 20 years ago, Smithsonian scientists led by Dr. Walter Adey, developed a biological process which utilizes naturally occurring turf or hair algae to control nitrogen and phosphorus levels. The process called algal turf scrubbers or ATS, takes advantage of the photosynthetic capabilities of algae which need nitrogen and phosphorus to grow. Water from the Harvestingaquarium is constantly circulated over brightly illuminated shallow trays of fast growing turf algae grown in the absence of herbivores. Excess nutrients are removed from the system by routinely harvesting the excess algae, as seen in the photograph to the right. In addition to maintaining naturally low levels of nitrogen and phosphorus, other advantages of using ATS filtration include the night-time production of oxygen and the removal of carbon dioxide. In keeping with the Exhibit's philosophy of modeling nature, ATS are the primary means of removing excess nutrients."
 
Wow. . . Srusso I'm ok with you using my images. I'm flattered that you would think its worthy to post here. I have a few more shots for you guys. In teh first one you can see (maybe) the growth on teh slimer acro from the first pics to now.


This was in March'10 one month after starting the ATS
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This was Feb'11 not a great comparison pic, I know
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