Algal genus Spotlight: Bryopsis "hair algae"

I read an article, after googling bryopsis, that removing any infected rocks or overflow/powerheads and placing them in the freezer for 48 hours will explode the cellulose(sp?) inside the bryopsis, killing it...FOREVER!!! I placed an infected pump in the freezer so we'll see. Anyone heard anything like this?
 
It's a quick fix, but won't address the root cause of it. Algae will indeed die at a cellular level when frozen. The cells explode or something.

The best way is to get rid of the cause of the algae.
Nutrient export via skimming, phosphate removal media, nitrate reduction, water changes, increased magnesium levels (1300ppm or more) and other reduction methods.
I find growing other algae is the best route -- out-compete the HA for nutrients and it doesn't have a chance.

I used to worry about HA, but I actually added a LR piece with HA on it to my new tank, it's really not a bother.

Conor
 
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It's a quick fix, but won't address the root cause of it. Algae will indeed die at a cellular level when frozen. The cells explode or something.

The best way is to get rid of the cause of the algae.
Nutrient export via skimming, phosphate removal media, nitrate reduction, water changes, increased magnesium levels (1300ppm or more) and other reduction methods.
I find growing other algae is the best route -- out-compete the HA for nutrients and it doesn't have a chance.

I used to worry about HA, but I actually added a LR piece with HA on it to my new tank, it's really not a bother.

Conor


I agree with you about nutrient export and such but i actually had a refugium and it did not outcompete my bryopsis. My nitrates are always zero and my phosphates were .03 and falling so i wouldn't think i have a nutrient problem. As we speak i have raised my mag to above 1700 and i think that it's finally working.The bryopsis is turning white and is becoming stringy so...we'll see
 
I have this crap taking over my tank and it's starting to **** me off. Here is a pic:

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It's twice as bad now. I need to get my skimmer working and start pulling this stuff out.
 
that looks like a brillo pad algae that i also have growing in my tank. i can' find anythign that eats it or anything to get rid of it.
 
I battles hair algae for almost a year. I tried everything, hand removal, adding more herms, snails, lettuce nudi, water changes one a week with ro/di water. reduced the lighting as far back as my corals could take. Nothing worked. Then i got a Sea Hair, this dude went to town on the algae! i could pick him up, and place him on a patch of algae, and in a few hours it was reduced to a level that the herms and snails could handle. It really was amazing. Only problem is that after two weeks (almost all the hair algae was gone) i came home to find him half sucked through a grate on one of my powerheads. I read that if they die in your tank your screwed so i pulled him off, he had shrunk to about half his normal size and i did what anyone else would of done. I chunked him. I had a little service for him and drank in his honer. it only seemed right, after all he won my battle with the dreaded hair algae. cheers.

it was also called a sea hare
 
Theoretically you are absolutely right, however I have also heard that water changes can sometimes feed algae even if the water is "clean", i.e 0 on Nitrate and Phosphate, the theory being that there are other substances or minerals that come with the salt mix that are also feeding the algae. Not sure which substances or minerals these are supposed to be or if true but I have heard that before.

What frustrates me about this hobby is that there are so few definite answers and that so much ofit seems to be pot luck, such as someone having a perfect tank for years, nothing changing and then suddenly getting explosions of algae... we need more proper scientific reasearch and analisys so we can properly understand what really drives these suddend changes. Still love it though!:D

Humm.........I think it has less to do with the salt mixes and more to do with the disturbance and flow during the water change itself, it kicks up detritus from places that have not been cleaned out for sometime.

We tend to have a lower O2 level and the subsequent rise in CO2 as result of bacterial action on the detritus, then the nutrients follow.

I suspect noxious algae are able to respond to this group of changes.

So rather than limiting ranges of ppm's or ppb's, it has little to do with limitations like Liebig suggested for plant growth growth 160 years ago.

It's not nutrient competition in otherwords.

Let say this, I have lower Mg and also much richer N and P levels, and yet no issues with noxious algae.

That is a "reference", eg an aquarium lacking the noxious algae, yet having the supposed hypthetical algae inducing Evil nutrients.
Such aquariums falsify these hokey myths about nutrients and algae blooms.

It does not answer why the algae bloom, but it does illustrate what it is "not" in and of itself. So that is a much better bit of info that speculation, dogma and myth.

So that is another way to approach the questions and problems.

Once you rule out most of the main players that seem most likely, then you are left with only a few choices(generally/hopefully).

Ruling things out can be done fairly well by good seasoned aquarist.

I think some higher Mg seems to help, but I'd need to know what induced the Byropsis to germinate and recruit to a rock etc to begin with. I'd need to be able to do so that the methods are the same for the treatment.

If you cannot grow the pest in question and there's a lot of variation, between test, treatments, then it's going to be very hard to say much.

You need a good culture to test any algae from.

Regards,
Tom Barr
 
For about 18 months I have had my HA infested live rock placed in a dark room inside a large sump and I have had a small aquarium attached to house the 2 yellow tangs and the couple of corals that I have left.... In December 09 I decided to get my display going again since the HA had disappeared (for at least 12 months) and was not growing in the small attached tank. So, I moved all the (clean) live rock back into my 200 gallon display. Now (Feb 13) just this evening I was inspecting my tank and noticed small shoots of this nasty weed (algae) growing in multiple places on my glass surfaces. I have been in this hobby for some time and I can deal with the financial and irritated wife part of this hobby but this stuff is about enough to drive a person over the side of a bridge!

Thankfully we have this place to come and vent about and research our problems....
 
For about 18 months I have had my HA infested live rock placed in a dark room inside a large sump and I have had a small aquarium attached to house the 2 yellow tangs and the couple of corals that I have left.... In December 09 I decided to get my display going again since the HA had disappeared (for at least 12 months) and was not growing in the small attached tank. So, I moved all the (clean) live rock back into my 200 gallon display. Now (Feb 13) just this evening I was inspecting my tank and noticed small shoots of this nasty weed (algae) growing in multiple places on my glass surfaces. I have been in this hobby for some time and I can deal with the financial and irritated wife part of this hobby but this stuff is about enough to drive a person over the side of a bridge!

Thankfully we have this place to come and vent about and research our problems....

wow, so cooking the rock for that length of time still did not completely eradicate it, I agree with your frustration, this is enough to drive one nuts or at least quit! It sounds like you may have Bryopsis and not hair algae
 
wow, so cooking the rock for that length of time still did not completely eradicate it, I agree with your frustration, this is enough to drive one nuts or at least quit! It sounds like you may have Bryopsis and not hair algae

Correct - I was using HA as a generic term for Bryopsis.... Obviously the spores of this stuff can hang around for some time - even in the dark.

One other note - I also have some live sand that I have kept in the sump from the original set up which may have harbored the spores.
 
I had an explosion in hair algae that lasted for several months. I was close to tearing down what had been a beautiful tank. I used the following measures which has all but completely eradicated the HA:

1) replaced my RO membrane. I'm fairly convinced this was the biggest part of my outbreak. My old membrane had stopped working, and I had been too lazy to replace it, and my DI was getting exhausted too quickly (duh). Obviously many water changes were required as I have around 250 g. including sump and fuge.

2) siphoned the HA from my fuge. This problem had gotten so bad it had overwhelmed my chaeto and caleurpa. Just used a hose and siphoned it all out. It returned several times over the course of 3-4 weeks, so I just siphoned it each week.

3) Removed coral that had HA trapped inside it and hacked it down. The coral was partially dead anyway.

4) Set up a GFO reactor. I purchased the large grain GFO from Bulk Reef Supply. This stuff will not eradicate HA on its own. I do believe it helps break down the decaying matter though, which seems to cause the growth cascade in HA. Don't be surprised if your chaeto will dwindle at first with GFO running. Your water needs to figure itself out before the chaeto can grow.

5) I used a product called 'Vanish'. Comes in a tiny bottle from my fish store. I removed all carbon and did not change the water until the HA was almost completely gone. Perhaps this is the same approach as dosing carbon sources like vodka- I don't know. It worked.


In my experience, there are no amount of critters you can buy that will eliminate a serious HA outbreak in a large system.
 
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Having read this article and also tackling a huge outbreak of HA, my entire 180 plus fuge are covered with HA, i believe it went unchecked in the fuge and i wasnt running the fuge lite 24/7 and it just went asexual. So i went to the shore and collected 10 or 12 sea hares and they made a good attack on the HA but they eat until they roll up in a ball and then they dissapear, no idea where they go, they just vanish. So the Tangs nibble as do the blennies but you would need a hundred of them. So i collected a dozen or so small common urchins, not to big as they knock alot of stuff over. These guys plow! they eat HA and clean right down to the rock coraline and all, they are making fast work and seem to be best consumer to date, i was at the point of tear down and rebuild but i just might be making progress.
 
I'm also fighting with an hair algae outbreak in my 125G+sump/fuge. I have a fair size cleanup crew of various snails, hermit crabs, emerald crabs, a few shrimps. I am growing chaeto in my fuge and running an Euro-Reef skimmer. Beside the cleanup crew I only have some Zoas, LPS and few SPS corals and a orange spotted goby. The goby feeds on the pods from the tank (I have plenty) and I only give little food to the shrimps once a day. I am not feeding the corals at all right now.

I had more fish earlier, including a yellow tang, a sailfin tang and a lawn mower blenny, but now they're out of the tank. Since they're out, the hair algae growth has slow down, but still growing.

I have been pulling algae out almost daily in the past week. The clean up crew appears to come and eat the short leftovers, but I don't see much progress.

The nitrate and phosphate levels are undetectable. Maybe because the algae feeds on them? The chaeto grows relatively fast too.

I added recently 2 lettuce slugs. They ate very little and then they "parked" on the glass. Reading more on them I have found that they can feed days to months on the algae cells they sucked up. So it would take a huge army of slugs to eat my algae.

Should I turn on the UV? Should I stop feeding my tank completely for few weeks? Would the shrimps survive?

I'm planning to try out an urchin soon.

Thanks!
 
A short update on my fight with the algae.

I took the statement that "there are no amount of critters you can buy that will eliminate a serious HA outbreak in a large system" and I decided to look at ways to reduce the nutrients instead of adding more snails/urchins and others that "eat" algae.

Searching around, I ran again into the threads and articles discussing the dosing of vodka in reefs. They made sense to me: using vodka as an additive to increase the bacterial population and make it consume more nutrients faster than the algae can.

So I started planning an working on 2 items:
1. I purchased a few more dry live rocks, bleached them and put them to dry out in the sun. After few more weeks I will put them to cure for a month and then I will add them to my tank. I need these because I feel my tank to be understocked on live rock. More rock is more medium for bacteria to grow on.

2. I built a vodka dosing calendar and slowly I started adding vodka to the system. I followed the process described in this article, except that my nitrate and phosphate readings are not accurate since the algae feeds on those. http://reefkeeping.com/issues/2008-08/nftt/index.php

After about of week of low daily doses of vodka and a few rounds of pulling algae from the rocks, I noticed a change in the HA: there were spots that turned light green-yellowish color and I saw much more algae floating through the water - I need to clean my return's pump prefilter daily. It's too early for me to tell if this means the algae is fading/dying out or i just the color of new algae blooms. I hope it's because the algae is dying since I haven't seen this color on it before the dosing. It also feels softer and easier to pull it from the rocks. I take that as another good sign.

I will continue dosing vodka at the same levels, around 1ml/100G. So far I don't see any side effects from this dosing.
 
I am also about to ramp up vodka dosing to deal with Bryopsis. I used vodka to successfully rid my tank of cyanobacteria last year. I had about four months of clean tank enjoyment before a strand of Byropsis came in on a coral colony I had bought.

Thought it might have been a seafan or something at first because my LEDs made it appear bright blue. :mad2:

I added four lettuce sea slugs who have done an admirable job over the past month, stripping an entire glass wall of the algae, but they seem less effective on the rock. Also I read that they retain the algae within their body and use it to derive energy through photosynthesis, and I've noticed they spend a lot of time basking at the top of the tank under the lights instead of eating the algae. :mad2:

Obviously going from cyano to bryopsis, there is a larger issue I need to address around available nutrients. I hesitate to make huge changes to my tank routine because the corals and everything else are growing better than ever.
 
I forgot to post a more recent update to my fight with HA until I saw the post from nattarbox.

Here it is:
I used vodka dosing and a few weeks into the dosing I started replacing the rocks that have been covered with the rocks that I had purchased & bleached. At the same time I dosed MB7 to replenish the bacteria. I did some heavy siphoning of the sand in the DT and fuge.

Once I was able to replace all rocks that have been covered with hair algae (took me a couple weeks), I had left very little in the DT. At that time I added a sea hare. The sea hare eats much more HA than the lettuce slugs since it simply digests the algae instead of using its cells for photosynthesis. The guy cleanup every single piece of the algae that I could see in my DT in a matter of weeks and then I moved it to the fuge where it did the same with the algae growing on the sand and rocks, but some was left mangled in my chaeto and I had to remove that myself. After cleaning my fuge, I had to give it away because I was afraid that it will starve in my tank.

Since then, I'm trying to keep my tank nutrients low, I have added carbon filtering and I'm considering adding a GFO reactor as well.

So far it's all good, I saw a couple very small patches of algae in the low flow areas of the tank or on the baffle & overflow teeth. The fish and clean-up crew are able to keep them in check so I didn't do anything about them.

Oh, my algae might have been just the plain hair algae. AFAK, the sea hare don't consume bryopsis. (I'm mentioning this just in case you are considering one).
 
In my experience, there are no amount of critters you can buy that will eliminate a serious HA outbreak in a large system.

Wow! All these years and this thread is still kicking....:beer:

Moral of my bryopsis story:

bryopsis + snails/mithrx crabs/hermits + other nuisance alge in sump = DT bryopsis outbreak

Many months later.....

1 Cup of Bleach + Infested LR = DEAD Bryopsis...

Problem solved
 
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