All you EVER wanted to know about Southdown

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Southdown for over 2 years

Southdown for over 2 years

This thread has been going on for 2.5 years, who knows long term? Plus I've yet to see the Ocean crash, yeah I know not the same. I'm really not sure, it just seems like the "thing". ?? Aany long term DSB users have input??
 
Guitar,

I, for one, have had a 1-2" aragonite substrate in my 120g for 3 years now. Got a great skimmer (ER) and RO/DI, and I do regular water changes. It was great for almost 2 years. But now, the substrate is just played out. I've added critters to it, and it helps for a short time, but I always end up with cyanobacteria creeping back. Now, if I just did a fuge with no DSB, would that take care of it? Maybe. But I'm doing both - pouring a DSB and adding a 20g fuge with macro-algae.

There's tons of opinions out there as to how to do it. It seems, however, that most of the opinions are coming from people with systems 2yrs old or less. I've learned that you can get away with a lot the first 2 years. Am most interested in hearing from those who have had a system up and running successfully for 5+ years. Those I've seen/ heard from seem to have either a DSB (or for some, a plenum), or a fuge, or both. Again, can't produce an Excel spreadsheet or anything, but that's the trend I've noticed.

I'll re-ask my 2 questions:

Anyone had a bad experience putting SD into the tank right out of the bag?

What do CaribSea and other aquarium supply houses charge for their brands of this same stuff they're getting from the guy who mines it?

Good Luck!

Tom
 
Guitar... I'd be interested in knowing more abou this as well. I purchased 300lbs of the SD for 'Project 125' that I will be starting this fall.

I am in the information gathering stage, and so if I end up getting rid of the small investment in SD, so be it. I would just like to know what the others that have had a tank up and running past 2 or 3 years are successful with.

Of course as much as this hobby has changed in the time that I've been exposed to it (15 years or there abouts), something else might come along that puts DSB to shame...

Puzzled but curious...
 
The following is a cut&paste from numerous articles, FAQs located at wetwebmedia.com...

Sugar-fine grade... excellent for denitrification and deep sand bed (DSB) strategies seeking natural nitrate reduction (NNR). Ideal at depth for culturing seagrasses like Syringodium and Thalassia. Very supportive of capillary root structures in red mangroves (Rhizophora mangle). Encourages the finest zooplankton (like copepods) to develop in refugia. Ideal substrate for free-living corals like Fungiids (stony mushroom, plate anemone, slipper, tongue and helmet corals), Trachyphyllia (Open brain coral), Goniopora stokesii (Green Flowerpot), and Catalaphyllia jardinei (Elegance). This is the ideal grain size for most detritivores and sand sand-sifting reef animals.

* Note: you must be mindful too of the fast rate of dissolution of some sand beds. In most healthy systems, fine aragonite has a "half-life" of 18-24 months. That means that after two years, perhaps, a 3" sand bed will have been reduced to 1.5" and possibly failing in its duties (another unheralded cause for the unfair criticisms of mismanaged DSBs). For this reason, aquarists seeking optimum nitrate control are advised to resist being frugal and apply honestly deep sand beds, and adding more substrate as necessary in time

RE: DSB Crash
Yes I did - and I could have missed it I guess, but I was attempting to address the SPECIFIC issue of the lifespan of a DSB being 2-3 years and then it crashes, killing everything in the tank. Is this true?
(Not in my experience. I am a fan of monthly "stirring", annual replenishment (including upper layer disruption) of such substrate arrangements though)
I mean it does kind of makes sense I guess sense all that waste has to go somewhere... is there some method of cleaning it to extend the lifespan?
(Oh! Yes... as stated, though I would not thoroughly gravel vacuum the substrate, I would stir it with a dowel (wood or plastic) on a regular basis, and add more material to it every year (you'll find it "goes away" as in dissolves over time).)
Sorry for the trouble :o)
(Me too. No worries. Just trying to get to an answer.)

With the above being stated one must remember there is more to a DBS than simply dumping in the sand. Proper aquarium husbandry including but not limited to - proper water flow, slight occasional stirring of surface, protein skimming, replenishment of dissolved sand etc must take place.
In the end it's up to the individual aquariast. From the hours of research I've done I'm more than satisfied that a DSB, with proper maintenance provides tremendous bonuses to a Reef Tank with no chance of crashing.

Rookee
 
use HCL to test play sand

use HCL to test play sand

Any one tried using HCL to test play sand? In a geology class we put HCL on rocks to see if they contained Calcium Carbonate. I'm gonna tr it at my HD in Washinton.
 
southdown in Vermont !!

southdown in Vermont !!

I have been waiting anxiously for my HD to get their "Tropical Play sand" ,continually being told that "it is on the way".... Well the other day I was strolling thru the garden section of Walmart and noticed their play sand was nice and white! It was packaged by Old Castle for Walmart and called Garden Basics Play Sand 18. The package is orange with green lettering. There is nothing on the bag stating the makeup of the sand but I gave it the vinegar test and it bubbled like crazy so I'm assuming it is the right stuff. I bought three bags at $2.49 each and am going back for more today. So all of you frustrated with HD give Walmart a try( I can't believe I'm giving them a plug!) they might just have what you're looking for.
 
WalMart Sand

WalMart Sand

Old Castle for Walmart and called Garden Basics Play Sand 18. The package is orange with green lettering. There is nothing on the bag stating the makeup of the sand but I gave it the vinegar test and it bubbled like crazy so I'm assuming it is the right stuff.

I checked our local WalMart. They also had Garden Basics Play Sand 18. Unfortunately, it is packaged by a local company here in IL. I gave it the vinegar test, but it failed. So, not all Garden Basics sand are not the same as Southdown.

Any one tried using HCL to test play sand? In a geology class we put HCL on rocks to see if they contained Calcium Carbonate. I'm gonna tr it at my HD in Washinton.

HCL would do the same thing as vinegar. Just a more violent reaction.
 
Hi;
I'm planning a trip from ST Louis to MI next week. Anyone know of Southdown in MI, Northern IN, IL or MO? I'd like to pick some up if possible.
Thanks, Bob


PS: The first and third paragraphs in the above post are quotes from previous posts. I just figured out how to do the quotes thing.

:lol:
 
Walmart sand

Walmart sand

I have had 300 lbs of this in my tank for a few weeks. I also tested it and it dissolves with vineger. Packaged by oldcastle sand products in PA - must be same a Southdown!

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SD in Phoenix

SD in Phoenix

This thread is amazing..... a life of it's own. I just had my brother go and grab me 15 bags of SD at a home depot in Tempe area. It was $10.35 for 50#.....still cheaper than LFS but nearly 4 times as much as other places.

At least I'm a advocate of higher education as I think I'm paying for the college education of the CEO for home depot.

Reed
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My local Wal-Mart has the same "Garden Basics" brand playsand, but this stuff is brown, not white like aragonite. I'm having a very hard time finding this around here in EL Paso TX. Does anyone know if Home Depot in Tucson or Phoenix carries Southdown? I travel there frequently so I would like to get some if available.
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JPfish:

The local Walmart here has two versions of sand packaged in nearly identical bags. The darker version here is labeled as being appropriate for swimming pool filters. Both are stacked beside each other and appear to be identical otherwise so maybe you should look again and see whether there is a second stack that appears to be the same thing at first glance.
 
Yes....it seems like it was yesterday when I bought my 50 lbs. of SD for $4. Looks like old castle bought out SD for a reason...They kinda new us reefers werent using it to fill up sand boxes.
 
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