Amendment to the Bylaws (Council Members)

[Dave ESPI]

BAWAHHAHHAHA !

VIN, I agree....this pic is worth a 1000 words.. I can just imagine this is you screaming this thread out loud....

actualy in all sillyness.. this one is wayyy better......

:lol:

 

[jallard]

I think that concidering the changes this club has recently gone through why change more so soon. A year ago there was no council, no bylaws or even a monthly raffle. In less than 6 months we now have bylaws and are gearing up for our first elections for new council.

Why not take one step at a time and deal with the changes if there even needs to be changes when we have our new council in order.

And if we have a Council Member for Local Vendor Relations, and a Council Member for Online Vendor Relations what do you propose the donation chairman does? Concidering I myself had been doing the above jobs....I think it's splitting up a relitivly easy job for no good reason is complicating things.

Newsletter Publisher......why is this nessesary at the moment? The bylaws were written loosely enough to adapt to the clubs needs...when it's needed.

"If it ain't broken don't fix it"

 

[scorp1on]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8318969#post8318969 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by vmiller
introduce themselves stating loudly and clearly their full CDMAS pledge name,

Okay, I know where Bluto went but whose Otter?! :smokin:

 

[ChrisBuono]

what do you propose the donation chairman does?

If you look at the proposal, there is no Donation Chairman. That function is wrapped into and shared between the Local and Online Vendor Liaisons.

Newsletter Publisher......why is this nessesary at the moment?

The only reason it's in there is because the bylaws refer to a newsletter and I've yet to see a newsletter. A newsletter would provide us an opportunity for advertising dollars as well as disseminting information to those members not frequenting our Reef Central forum nor our monthly meetings.

"If it ain't broken don't fix it"

I've spoken with members who think it is broke. Yours is just one opinion.

Lastly, I recall there are four nominees for Council positions. If we ratify this proposal, we already have the people willing to do the work and the new roles align better with the individuals.

I don't see the problem.

 

[jallard]

Re: Amendment to the Bylaws (Council Members)

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8315940#post8315940 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChrisBuono
We need three members to state their agreement to bring this proposal in front of the Board.

After that, this will come to a membership vote at the next General Meeting.

"If approved by the Board of Directors, the proposed amendment shall be submitted for a general vote.

Not saying it wont be approved for a vote by the board ie. ....just that there is another step you left out..........

 

[vmiller]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8319288#post8319288 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChrisBuono


I've spoken with members who think it is broke. Yours is just one opinion.

Then maybe it's time for them to step up and speak for themselves. Until they do, yours is just one opinion as well. And in fact, several people on this thread, including myself, have publicly agreed with Joe making it more than just one opinion.

I plan on attending the October meeting, and as a council member, I welcome and encourage anyone who is discontent with how the club is currently running to discuss it with me. You can even email me if you wish. Having members privately complain to eachother about how the club is running is probably the worst way to go about accomplishing anything positive.

 

[plandy]

"'ve spoken with members who think it is broke."

Chris, that's one of the problems, hence the reason we need to move slowly. Our opinions are just a fraction of those who have yet to voice theirs.

If they told you something we haven't heard here then it cannot be that important. Each of us will hear voices, some more than others like Dave ESPI :wildone: , but on club issues we need to hear them collectively for everyone to take into account.

Most importantly remember that this is just a hobby. For myself, the club serves as an information network and making friends with a few select people like yourself. The last thing I care about are burearcracy & petty politics & more rules and regulations. Rather than seeking official status, as in titles, I see nothing wrong with voluteering for various tasks which captivates your interest. And that's what it's all about folks: We are a big friendly group of volunteers full of energy and enthusiasm! :bounce3: :wave:

 

[jallard]

Slight change......mostly leaving it original
Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
Council Member â€"œ Events Coordinator
Council Member â€"œ Secretary
Council Member â€"œ Membership Chairperson
Council Member â€"œ Donation Chairperson (leave the way it is) = Local Vendor Relations, & Online Vendor Relations

And we simply deligate the responsibility of :
PR/Education Chairperson if nessesary
Newsletter Publisher if someones willing
Webmasterif someones able

If members wanna be involved GREAT We welcome it!! But if a member wants to be part of the governing body of CDMAS, a council member ...Get elected. There are yearly elections....no problem. Sooner or later everyone who wants a shot at council will have a chance.

 

[ChrisBuono]

I guess there's an aspect to this that I don't understand. My proposal is based on the assumption that each seat is more about responsibility than having any real power. Hence, the more people willing to be responsible, the better for us all.

Yet people here have talked about being a governing body or leadership or having to be elected.

That all seems to imply to me there is more to being a council member than just the duties specified. What does the governing body of CDMAS do? What power does it hold?

If the answer is "nothing," then why not make as many seats of responsibility as they are areas of responsibility, or at least for as many as are willing to be responsible?!

 

[jallard]

it's simple....Every club has a governing body. When our club gets bigger it's going to become more important. When the Club was re-organized the membership of that time decided that rather than have a President, VP and so on....we would have a council of 5 members who were elected to run CDMAS. This prevented one person having all the power, ie. a president. All 5 ELECTEDcouncil members have equal say about any major decision which directly affects CDMAS....like amending the current bylaws.

The only reason there are duties attached to each council seat was to effectively differentiate one council member from another. This allows the council members to serve a term and then allow others to run for a council seat every 2 years. It is only since the bylaws were written these jobs were attached. Before the bylaws were written we the council just did the tasks at hand and that was that. The council thought it was in the clubs best interest to have elections and also have new "blood" in the council.

 

[Linda C.]

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[ChrisBuono]

Thanks Linda. That's three. We only need one more. Anyone? Anyone?

Jallard, I'm still confused. I don't think you answered my question and I can't find a good reference in the bylaws.

Aside from the individual duties described, what does the governing body of CDMAS do? What power does it have?

 

[Linda C.]

i took my post down until Joe has time to answer your question.

Sorry for any confusion.

 

[upstatedave]

it isn't broke....regardless of who may think that it is...I am reading shades of greenman again...it's like deja-vu all over again....reading technicalities into the bylaws that are only a couple of months old...Bah!
CDMAS...Northern Division

 

[jallard]

Im done ....all this appears to be at least IMO is an attempt to unravel CDMAS. Im done trying to defend myself or the actions of the council. Nit picking the bylaws is gettin old now.....and hardly worth the aggravation

 

[upstatedave]

now...I WILL second that!...good point Joe....I agree totally

 

[ChrisBuono]

Jallard, I understood this to be a democratic group, but you're not acting very democratic (IMO). Similarly, I think you have a responsibility to answer my question.

For some reason you seem to be getting very upset by this topic. If you don't like my methods, you only have yourself to blame; I'm simply following the bylaws as they were written.

Please keep in mind this whole issue has only to do with adding a few council seats and spreading the workload. Seems very reasonable to me.

All I ask is that this go to a membership vote. That's not asking too much, is it?

 

[jallard]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8320999#post8320999 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by ChrisBuono
Jallard, I understood this to be a democratic group, but you're not acting very democratic (IMO). Similarly, I think you have a responsibility to answer my question.

I have the responsibility.....if you understood the way our club worked.....you would know that I am one of 5 council members so ask someone else

 

[jaze36]

I think he is getting up set because you are not listining. I think the ideas and why they have been done have been reasonably explained. Maybe you should just let it drop. I do remember a discussion where I tried to explain to you group feelings on a topic that has been gone over many times by the group in the past and you posted "Dude I'm past this but you keep hanging on." Dude now your hanging on! I think Joe is over it as well as others in the group. You can't get enough people to bring this to the council let alone having them apvove it, and bring it to a vote. What are you trying to prove? The ideas not going to fly, sorry. We can't change the groups bylaws constantly for one persons whim.

 

[Linda C.]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8319726#post8319726 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jallard
Slight change......mostly leaving it original
Council Member â€"œ Treasurer
Council Member â€"œ Events Coordinator
Council Member â€"œ Secretary
Council Member â€"œ Membership Chairperson
Council Member â€"œ Donation Chairperson (leave the way it is) = Local Vendor Relations, & Online Vendor Relations

And we simply delegate the responsibility of :
PR/Education Chairperson if necessary
Newsletter Publisher if someones willing
Webmasterif someones able



I reviewed the above proposal from Joe and feel that based on all posts up to this point this seems to cover all concerns in a reasonable and more importantly do-able manner.

Would this proposal submitted by Mr. Allard satisfy the members of CDMAS?

(Also, Tom wants to know what happened to Beer Wench?)