anenome overflow sump disaster

epares

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I wanted to share this unfortunate experience so that hopefully it can prevent another in the future. I have an oceanic tech tank with starfire glass 90 gallon, dual durso overflows. It has 1.25" bulkheads under the dursos with about 15' of 1.25" pipe that goes to a sump in another part of my basement. It is an inwall tank. I have had the tank up and running for about 8 months. The water parameters have been stable since the initial cycling. A friend voluntered to give me an RTBA about a month ago. He had this beautiful creature for a year. I did alot of reading and decided that the environment was correct for him and that I could provide him with a wonderful home.

I brought the Nem home last sunday and acclimated him . ( he came on a rock so his home was never really different) My tank parameters mimicked my buddies. He sat on his rock towards the top of the tank all week long, happily eating Krill and soaking in the metal halide light. He moved a little at night to tuck under the rock a little , then during the day would move back towards the front nearer to the light.

I came home last nite at about midnite to the sound of dripping water in the basement ( never a good sign ) I look at my tank and see water cascading over the front of the tank ,, I see no anenome in the tank.. I run into the sump room and kill the return pump. I look in the sump and see that it is 5 gallons down from its level and also that the expansion tank for the auto top off is empty. So that means I have about 7 gallons of water on the floor. First thing I check is the dursos, thinking that somehow the nem got through the over flow and stuck in the durso. I pull both of them out and they are clear!!

I then make my way to the sump and I have a gravity fed deltec skimmer with a ball valve and my other overflow feeds my fuge with a fliter bag on it. I take the filter bag off and dont find anything unusual. I then make my way to the ball valve end of the skimmer. Luckily it is all barbed fittings with clear tubing because it is all in the sump. I seperate the the clear tubing from the ball valve and sure enough there is what is left of the anenome jammed in and around the ball valve. I am devestated. Somehow the nem made his way through the overflow ( the slots arent more than a 1/4") through the durso overflow ( has a protection grid around it) down 15' of pipe ( that has 2- 90 degree elbows) and into the ball valve inside my sump. I did alot of research into the proper care and I never came across this particular issue. Has anyone ever heard of anything like this? Please if anyone has a nem and can prevent this type of situation by reading this --I can feel that I at least helped a little!
 
I just never thought that I had to worry about the overflow, the slots are so small, and there are so many of them so I thought the current would be dispersed...
 
I have never heard of anemones getting sucked into overflows to to this extreme but have heard of it many many times unfortunately. A moving anemone is never a good sign. That means it either couldn't find the proper combination of flow, light and a suitable place to plant its foot. You defintaely had the right amount of lighting but your RBTA probably couldn't find acceptable flow and a spot to plant its foot in one spot. It probably went past it's boundaries went up the overflow and got sucked in. Your RBTA most likely expelled a lot of water and shrunk up into a ball into defense mode. This allowed your RBTA to get into those tight fittings and allowed itself to pass those 90 degree turns. Its amazing what anmones can do. Its sad that this happened to you for your first time taking care of an anemone, let alone E. Quadricolor! I am sorry about this but there is always a lesson to be learned in something like this. The lesson for you would be to gaurd your intakes with some type of mesh or material that would allow plenty of water to go through but no anemone. Good luck in the future.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9334475#post9334475 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Zestay
just when yah kid proof the house. you leave the carseat on the roof of the car..

Exactly!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9334466#post9334466 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by 55semireef
I have never heard of anemones getting sucked into overflows to to this extreme but have heard of it many many times unfortunately. A moving anemone is never a good sign. That means it either couldn't find the proper combination of flow, light and a suitable place to plant its foot. You defintaely had the right amount of lighting but your RBTA probably couldn't find acceptable flow and a spot to plant its foot in one spot. It probably went past it's boundaries went up the overflow and got sucked in. Your RBTA most likely expelled a lot of water and shrunk up into a ball into defense mode. This allowed your RBTA to get into those tight fittings and allowed itself to pass those 90 degree turns. Its amazing what anmones can do. Its sad that this happened to you for your first time taking care of an anemone, let alone E. Quadricolor! I am sorry about this but there is always a lesson to be learned in something like this. The lesson for you would be to gaurd your intakes with some type of mesh or material that would allow plenty of water to go through but no anemone. Good luck in the future.

The weird thing about what happened is that the nem was pretty close to the overflows since I got him. His rock was right under the overflow. He seemed very happy there, I assumed he liked the flow at that area. I have a vortech pump , so the flow is pretty good in the whole tank. He kinda scooted around the rock each day. at nite he would go behind it , during the day he would move to the front near the light. I dont think his foot ever moved, the body moved around the rock but the foot seemed to stay put. Thats the strange thing for me , I didnt view the overflow as a threat cause he was so close for the duration of his stay!!--- I am going to hunt down some mesh ASAP though.
 
Ok, let me get this straight so I dont go thru the same thing w/ my nems....I have a corner inside drilled over flow with a durso pipe coming up the center of the over flo.....What part do i need to protect? The actual little slits at the top and bottom of over flow or the inlet to the durso pipe that drains into my sump???Who has done this and can recommend a good material that will let water flow freely and still keep out the nems???? Can they crawl over the top of the overflo cause i dont see them fitting thru the little slits.
 
It doesn't take much for them to get sucked into things, they're about the consistency of jell-o, or at least that's what I've heard. My husband has handled our nems instead of me.
So sorry this happened - was it a total loss, or do you think the nem can overcome this? Sometime's they're very surprising.

Good luck!
 
so i need to cover the slits and the durso pipe intake? What to use? some kind of net material? my wifes fish net stockings perhaps?
 
i would say you could use the fishnet stalkings just make sure ot check them everyonce in a while to make sure they arent slowly getting clogged restricting your waterflow and causing more issues.
 
Epares,
Wow that is devastating, sorry to hear about your loss.
My Lta nem is 4in away from the intake to my canister. I have had to place rocks to be sure it cant get near it. It has not left this spot in weeks but after reading your story I think I will be putting a pre filter on the intake.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9344520#post9344520 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WaterbugJenn
Epares,
Wow that is devastating, sorry to hear about your loss.
My Lta nem is 4in away from the intake to my canister. I have had to place rocks to be sure it cant get near it. It has not left this spot in weeks but after reading your story I think I will be putting a pre filter on the intake.

Thanks for all the kind words!-- As near as I can tell the nem did get sucked through the slots on the overflow. Although I wasnt there when it happened, he might have gone over the top , but that seems more unlikely. This whole situation seems so surreal in that I could never imagine such a large anenome ( 6 " in diameter ) could fit in or over the slots in the overflow and then through the slots in the durso as well.. I am leary to cover my overflows with something as fine as stockings though, cause that could get clogged pretty easy as well starting a big overflow problem if not checked pretty regularly.... hmmm,,,, gotta keep thinking about this one...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9342191#post9342191 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by raoul
It doesn't take much for them to get sucked into things, they're about the consistency of jell-o, or at least that's what I've heard. My husband has handled our nems instead of me.
So sorry this happened - was it a total loss, or do you think the nem can overcome this? Sometime's they're very surprising.

Good luck!

The nem was in several pieces on either side of the ball valve . He showed no signs of recovering....
 
http://www.karensroseanemones.com/

I don't know if you had to cover anything else in your tank, and not understanding what your setup looks like (I'm terrible with technical stuff) I don't know if this will work for you or not, but one thing that seems to work well on powerheads and other intakes is plastic cross stitch canvas. It's cheap and easy to use, there's a variety of colors and it's easy to clean. It can be found at most craft stores, and even in the craft section of WalMart - it's in the needlework isle.
Karen's site has some pictures of it.

Sorry yours didn't make it. Some recover from things we never thought possible, but sadly others don't.

Good luck in the future!
 
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