Angela Short
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thats what I was planning Gary. I may come up and get it tommorow though if thats fine.
Angela's 270 tank thread
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Angela Short
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They actually did sing the theam song to The Little Mermaid while they splashed around! One of there favorites right now :lol:
Fanof49ASU
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Who built the tank?
Great pics!!!
Great pics!!!
Angela Short
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Glass cages built the tank and they get along swimmingly unless they haven't had a nap! :lol:
I plan on hypoing the 80 and everyone in it before they go in the big tank (- the rock and sand) just to be 100% sure ick is never introduced. The PB has been flashing alot and I am suspisiouse he is harboring it in low amounts unseen. All my other guys have lived through a bad ick outbreak last year so they have some aquired imunity I am sure but just to be 100% I am going to hypo evereyone and let the 270 sit fallow for 4 weeks. I have 5 new fish in hypo now waiting on the day they can be released, the fish in the 80 will go through hypo and any and all newcommers will have the same treat.
A flame angel and a school of anthias is the only other kinda big fish I want so hopefully just 2 more rounds of QTing and the tank will be stocked.
I plan on hypoing the 80 and everyone in it before they go in the big tank (- the rock and sand) just to be 100% sure ick is never introduced. The PB has been flashing alot and I am suspisiouse he is harboring it in low amounts unseen. All my other guys have lived through a bad ick outbreak last year so they have some aquired imunity I am sure but just to be 100% I am going to hypo evereyone and let the 270 sit fallow for 4 weeks. I have 5 new fish in hypo now waiting on the day they can be released, the fish in the 80 will go through hypo and any and all newcommers will have the same treat.
A flame angel and a school of anthias is the only other kinda big fish I want so hopefully just 2 more rounds of QTing and the tank will be stocked.
Angela Short
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For anyone interested on my fish list, I have already....
thease guys are in hypo right now:
Small sailfin tang
Blue spotted Kole tang ( he is way cool)
2 tiny yellow gobies
fridmani dottyback who is way beautiful!
1 Pair of clowns (onyx and ocelaris mates)
Lawn mower blennie
royal gramma
mandarin
luboles wrass (sp?)
powder blue tang
1 anthia
I have a yellow tang that looks 100% better than he did when I first got him. He "may" make the cut but more than likely be traded after he fattens up for a differant fish. Maybe a scribbled rabbit. I just hate to waste the bio on a fish I am not real crazy about.
I also have a nice baby GSM clown pair but the lady already attacks my hand now if I am in her tank so they may stay in my 29 zoa domminet tank I am planning. I hate to have her bully everyone from a whole 1/2 the tank perameter. Especially with the mean PB tang already.
I want to add a flame angle and a school of anthias and a few fairy wrasses to round it out. I am thinking about getting a ton of those tiny gobies to watch peeking around the rocks. They are so cute and take up so little bio. I don't think anyone on my list will eat them.
thease guys are in hypo right now:
Small sailfin tang
Blue spotted Kole tang ( he is way cool)
2 tiny yellow gobies
fridmani dottyback who is way beautiful!
1 Pair of clowns (onyx and ocelaris mates)
Lawn mower blennie
royal gramma
mandarin
luboles wrass (sp?)
powder blue tang
1 anthia
I have a yellow tang that looks 100% better than he did when I first got him. He "may" make the cut but more than likely be traded after he fattens up for a differant fish. Maybe a scribbled rabbit. I just hate to waste the bio on a fish I am not real crazy about.
I also have a nice baby GSM clown pair but the lady already attacks my hand now if I am in her tank so they may stay in my 29 zoa domminet tank I am planning. I hate to have her bully everyone from a whole 1/2 the tank perameter. Especially with the mean PB tang already.
I want to add a flame angle and a school of anthias and a few fairy wrasses to round it out. I am thinking about getting a ton of those tiny gobies to watch peeking around the rocks. They are so cute and take up so little bio. I don't think anyone on my list will eat them.
TitansFan
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Yah, I thought you had told me you were not going to hypo the 80 with the rock in it? The hypo like Chris, mentioned would kill pods and more important the bacteria. It could turn that rock into basic brand new base rock. Starting the tank off with all the fish you have mentioned you will needs the bacteria. Water changes on that monster tank will be fun. Have you decided on a skimmer?
The kids look great! I knew you had to do the kids in the tank shot. I think its required on all new large tank setups. Its good to read that you did a proper acclimation for them. I can't wait to come over and see them with snorkles and algea scrapers inside cleaning the tank. They look just like their mom.
The kids look great! I knew you had to do the kids in the tank shot. I think its required on all new large tank setups. Its good to read that you did a proper acclimation for them. I can't wait to come over and see them with snorkles and algea scrapers inside cleaning the tank. They look just like their mom.
Angela Short
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Oh no, sorry if I was confusing 
. I am pulling all rock coral and cheato from the sump. Then siphoning out the old sand, then dropping the S.G. I am putting in PVC and fake plants/decore for hiding places in a bare tank. The lights will not even be on because they are going with the coral.
I have a huge bag of ceramic rings very well seasoned in the sump and my 3 large filter pads I haven't replaced in well over a month to keep the bio on them. I hope this will be enouph bio for the 6 fish going into hypo in the 80. If not I guess lots of water changes are in store.
I just hope enouph pods are not lingering in all the Power heads and cracks in the sump and filter pads to cause a ammonia spike when they die...I will just have to watch it. Thanks for looking out for me though. I am sure I will do some bone head boo boo and kill off all my stuff before this thing is done!
. I am pulling all rock coral and cheato from the sump. Then siphoning out the old sand, then dropping the S.G. I am putting in PVC and fake plants/decore for hiding places in a bare tank. The lights will not even be on because they are going with the coral. I have a huge bag of ceramic rings very well seasoned in the sump and my 3 large filter pads I haven't replaced in well over a month to keep the bio on them. I hope this will be enouph bio for the 6 fish going into hypo in the 80. If not I guess lots of water changes are in store.
I just hope enouph pods are not lingering in all the Power heads and cracks in the sump and filter pads to cause a ammonia spike when they die...I will just have to watch it. Thanks for looking out for me though. I am sure I will do some bone head boo boo and kill off all my stuff before this thing is done!
Angela Short
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My little maroons will stay where ever there bubble coral takes them They have made a bubble coral there home. They had no choice, it was a lone coral I got as a freebi on some rock and dumped it in there little holding tank (other than zoos) and they went right to it. They are very cute in it. I kinda wanted to keep a pair of clowns in my zoa wanna be tank anyways especially with the ocilaris/onyx pair in the big one.
My little maroons will stay where ever there bubble coral takes them
They have made a bubble coral there home. They had no choice, it was a lone coral I got as a freebi on some rock and dumped it in there little holding tank (other than zoos) and they went right to it. They are very cute in it. I kinda wanted to keep a pair of clowns in my zoa wanna be tank anyways especially with the ocilaris/onyx pair in the big one.
crumbletop
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Angela,
when you do hypo, do you keep your salinity exactly at 1.009 or does it vary a little bit. Do you cycle the hypo tank before you put the fish in, or do you keep up with stuff like prime and water changes? How are you keeping your pH in line in the hypo tank?
I've done hypo with partial success and am wondering what your technique is. It sounds like you have a bunch of fish in hypo right now and they all sound like they are doing well.
Jack
when you do hypo, do you keep your salinity exactly at 1.009 or does it vary a little bit. Do you cycle the hypo tank before you put the fish in, or do you keep up with stuff like prime and water changes? How are you keeping your pH in line in the hypo tank?
I've done hypo with partial success and am wondering what your technique is. It sounds like you have a bunch of fish in hypo right now and they all sound like they are doing well.
Jack
Angela Short
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I have done hypo in the past with great success. Once I get the SG down to 1.009, which takes a ton of fresh water, I just try to keep a eye on it daily. I sometimes accidentially go to 1.008 and let it creep back up a little but try to not let it swing up past 1.009. This is the acceptiable highest level you can go without a small chance of the free swimming stage to survive.
I only ever ran NO lights so the SG didn't swing much from heat and a daily small top off was all it took to keeo it low in the past. I use a little of my PH side of my 2 part mix to keep the PH up as I go down. The PH does bottom out with no buffers in the tank, mine did.
In the 80 I will have to moniter the SG 2-3 times a day as it has a spray function in the sump and it burns 1/2 gallon a day without lights running. I may just hook up a drip to keep it in check better.
The trick to being sucessfull is patience. You start counting your weeks "after" the last visiable spot disapears, not from the minute you hit 1.009, a common mistake. Hypo only kills the free swimming stage and not the encysted stage or while it is on the fish. So you have to wait out all the possiable stages of the cycle because you can have the bug at all 3 stages in the tank at once. ON the fish, free swimming and encysted on the substraite ready to release lots of new free swimmers.
It is very important not to cross contaminate water from the display back into the treatment tank via refractometers or hoses,nets and such. We are dealing with microscopic parasites so it can easily be done.
You can safely drop a fish straight in a cycled hypo tank as long as the PH matches (I did it) but when droping a new tank from regular SG down to hypo it is best to go slowley over a few days for the bio to adjust to lower Salinity and keep up more than the fish adjusting. I keep sponge filters in my sump at all times seasoned with bio (keeping the other tank stable right now) and I am hopeing my biorings and filter pads will be plenty of bio to keep the params in check in the 80.
A common misunderstanding in setting up a tank (hospital or other) is that if you use dirty water from a display you are cycled whicjh is just not so. The water is cycled when you put it in but has no bacteria mass to process all the waste the fish will be putting off in the new tank. In other words it doesn't have a biofilter established on the substraite, filterpads, aquarium walls ect, ect... The "dirty water" will add some bacteria to kick start your biofilter but is in no way a "cycled" tank ready for inhabitents. You will get a huge ammonia spike if this is how you set up a QT. If you are not ready with instant bio (ceramic rings, sponge filters....) you have to keep the tank from ever going in a cycle with daily water changes to keep ammonia down. OK I have to get buisy, sorry so long on the QT spill...
I only ever ran NO lights so the SG didn't swing much from heat and a daily small top off was all it took to keeo it low in the past. I use a little of my PH side of my 2 part mix to keep the PH up as I go down. The PH does bottom out with no buffers in the tank, mine did.
In the 80 I will have to moniter the SG 2-3 times a day as it has a spray function in the sump and it burns 1/2 gallon a day without lights running. I may just hook up a drip to keep it in check better.
The trick to being sucessfull is patience. You start counting your weeks "after" the last visiable spot disapears, not from the minute you hit 1.009, a common mistake. Hypo only kills the free swimming stage and not the encysted stage or while it is on the fish. So you have to wait out all the possiable stages of the cycle because you can have the bug at all 3 stages in the tank at once. ON the fish, free swimming and encysted on the substraite ready to release lots of new free swimmers.
It is very important not to cross contaminate water from the display back into the treatment tank via refractometers or hoses,nets and such. We are dealing with microscopic parasites so it can easily be done.
You can safely drop a fish straight in a cycled hypo tank as long as the PH matches (I did it) but when droping a new tank from regular SG down to hypo it is best to go slowley over a few days for the bio to adjust to lower Salinity and keep up more than the fish adjusting. I keep sponge filters in my sump at all times seasoned with bio (keeping the other tank stable right now) and I am hopeing my biorings and filter pads will be plenty of bio to keep the params in check in the 80.
A common misunderstanding in setting up a tank (hospital or other) is that if you use dirty water from a display you are cycled whicjh is just not so. The water is cycled when you put it in but has no bacteria mass to process all the waste the fish will be putting off in the new tank. In other words it doesn't have a biofilter established on the substraite, filterpads, aquarium walls ect, ect... The "dirty water" will add some bacteria to kick start your biofilter but is in no way a "cycled" tank ready for inhabitents. You will get a huge ammonia spike if this is how you set up a QT. If you are not ready with instant bio (ceramic rings, sponge filters....) you have to keep the tank from ever going in a cycle with daily water changes to keep ammonia down. OK I have to get buisy, sorry so long on the QT spill...
crumbletop
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Thanks for the details. I am getting ready to start stocking more fish in my display and have been thinking about doing hypo on all new aquisitions as you are. I have already gone through letting the tank sit fallow (I went 6 weeks), and hypo for the fish. Not all of them made it through hypo, so I was wondering about some of the details. I pretty much did as you described, although I went though a monster cycle in the hypo tank. I used a biowheel that had been in my sump for about 6 weeks and I guess I must have dropped the salinity too fast for the bacteria to adjust.
Angela Short
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I would say the bio wheel just didn't have enouph bacteria to support the fish load. The increased stress of ammonia will let all sorts of other bad things start happening with the fishes health. Sorry you lost some fish.
People who have bad luck with a QT ussually have a uncycled one they lost fish from. I need to put up a pic of my plastic decorated QT with the 5 fish in it, They are happy acting as if they were in the reef. To be honest I feel the blue spotted Kole may have been unable to thrive in the 80 if just dummped in. He was unbalivably shy and NEVER came out of his fake tree branch hole, even to eat for a few weeks practically. And him and the dottyback were the only fish in there in a spare bedroom, with no comotion going on. If he was out and saw me sneak in the room he would flee. He has adjusted and lets me look in at him all the time now. He was so timid I would bet he would have never taken to prepared foods in the 80 with the super intense lights, kids screamming in the room, and all the other fish putting him in his place and scareing him. He was very slow to take prepared food in his "safe" home anyways.
I had a flame waste away from that exact senario when I first started. It never left its hiding spot ever. It stayed in the same fake tree root hole as the tang lives now only that was "cool looking" in my reef wannabe tank way back then! :lol: It is saved for hiding spots in the QT now
He may have made it if knew then what I do now.
I really like those glass bio rings in a mesh baggie. Theyhave a lot more surface space than a bio wheel. And I have the sponges from a whisper HOB filter I use also that I keep in the sump. 2 of them filter pads from the sump and a peice of old dried out figi rock I had in the QT tank while a big ugly damsel helped seed it is all the bio in the 29 keeping the ammonia in check with the 5 in hypo now. 3 are tiny though and the other 2 are smallish for tangs.
People who have bad luck with a QT ussually have a uncycled one they lost fish from. I need to put up a pic of my plastic decorated QT with the 5 fish in it, They are happy acting as if they were in the reef. To be honest I feel the blue spotted Kole may have been unable to thrive in the 80 if just dummped in. He was unbalivably shy and NEVER came out of his fake tree branch hole, even to eat for a few weeks practically. And him and the dottyback were the only fish in there in a spare bedroom, with no comotion going on. If he was out and saw me sneak in the room he would flee. He has adjusted and lets me look in at him all the time now. He was so timid I would bet he would have never taken to prepared foods in the 80 with the super intense lights, kids screamming in the room, and all the other fish putting him in his place and scareing him. He was very slow to take prepared food in his "safe" home anyways.
I had a flame waste away from that exact senario when I first started. It never left its hiding spot ever. It stayed in the same fake tree root hole as the tang lives now only that was "cool looking" in my reef wannabe tank way back then! :lol: It is saved for hiding spots in the QT now
He may have made it if knew then what I do now.I really like those glass bio rings in a mesh baggie. Theyhave a lot more surface space than a bio wheel. And I have the sponges from a whisper HOB filter I use also that I keep in the sump. 2 of them filter pads from the sump and a peice of old dried out figi rock I had in the QT tank while a big ugly damsel helped seed it is all the bio in the 29 keeping the ammonia in check with the 5 in hypo now. 3 are tiny though and the other 2 are smallish for tangs.
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Angela Short
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Wow, this thing is gonna kill me! I have been working on this thing every night till 1-2 AM and am just now shutting down at 3 this night....morning. I had a burst of energy because I got sand and rock in tonight. I have added 250 lbs of sand and about 150 lbs live rock, 30 lbs home made cement rock and 25 lbs dry high rock. Sadly the rock is looking very sparse. I built up from the glass so it took a lot more to get any highth and the extra tall tank is burning up rock getting highth. I have about another 150 lbs of live to add tommorow and hopefully with some creative stacking and lots of epoxy it will be enouph. I am so over working on this thing its not even funny but I know it will be worth it after its all done.
Pics to come this weekend of the progress and me having to practically get in to aquascape this thing!
Pics to come this weekend of the progress and me having to practically get in to aquascape this thing!
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