Another 'Back to Halides' thread...

Yes 10 k 14 k and 20 k all work there is no doubt. Why people want to waist time with all the led offferings out there beats me. I tried them all for two years and wasted money and corals on them. If you read the posts on the forums you just see so much wasted money and corals it gets sicking really.


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After a 10 year hiatus, I got back into reefing a year and a half ago, with a 60g cube. Went all 'high tech'... dosing pump with BRS 2part, Aquaticlife Halo LED... Eshopps RS100 3rd gen sump/ref with it's fancy water channel design... All this fancy stuff just isn't working for me. Slow growth rates being the primary issue.

I've been fighting calc/alk bouncing all over the place and low pH since I set the system up. Pulled the dosing pump and 2part and switched back to Kalk from my ATO, everything is solid again. Pulled the fancy sump/ref, and put in a plain Jane sump that I can actually clean once in a while. Back to simple, old school, and things are getting better.

I'm about done with my Halo. This tank is open top (I do have a screen over it), and going to stay that way, I don't want a canopy. With the room it's in, hanging a light from the ceiling would be a nightmare. I've looked at t5's, but I really just don't want a big slab of lighting over the tank.

Anybody have a Hamilton Bimini Sun reflector? How's it working out for you? How heavy is it? I'm thinking that I can come up with a way to mount the Bimini sun from the HALO mount I have, as long as it's not built like a brick.

I'm just tired of screwing with it, and I _KNOW_ that a 14k 250w DE halide will give me the growth rates I'm looking for. Yeah, it'll be higher electric usage, and yeah, I've gotta put in a new bulb every once in a while, but having used halides in the past, it's a known quantity.

On my old tank with halides, it was all enclosed. This was a much larger system, with 3x 400w halides, on old PFO magnetic ballasts. I had to run a chiller to keep the heat under control. I'm hoping that with this setup, open top, pendant hanging with air all around it, that the heat won't be so bad. Really don't have the room for a chiller, I'm hoping that a fan will do the trick. Anyone else have a 250w pendant over an open 60g cube? How's the heat issue?

Room shot, just to show why hanging a light would be a challenge...

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Welp, I guess you learned one thing after ten years.

Nothings gotten better except the many ways the industry has changed to take the consumer's money with sleek looking under preforming crap so you have to keep buying more sleek looking crap.

MH/T5 is still the GOLD standard in lighting!
 
Although this is not your cup of tea I am in the process of building a floating canopy using an articulating tv stand . Why do I mention this in your thread ? Because thinking outside the box will help here.
The pendant you will be using isnt heavy by any means therefore why not employ a goose neck? A simple black one mounted to the corner of your stand would work perfectly. Not The Glass I have seen these chip and crack the glass when manipulated Go to a Guitar Center or any other store that sells mics and you will be amazed. It will provide solid mounting that is both aesthetically pleasing and modular enough to move and adjust par. In addition dont let the fact that a raw aluminum hood is the only thing available . Flat grill paint works lovely.
Another viable option is the sliding roller brackets used for servers they are quite sturdy an an easy grab
 
I just took it down.... It's not even close to 10lbs it's more like 5. It's made of alluminum

Thanks. That's about what I'd figure... 4-5lbs would have been my guess.

Even at 5lbs, I'm not going to be using the glass mount.

I'm thinking of bending a piece of 3/4" conduit. Drill a 3/4" hole in the back/center of the shelf, so that the conduit goes inside the cabinet up against the back wall, a couple of conduit clamps screwed into the inside of the cabinet, i'd be nice and solid. Paint it all flat black, won't look too bad.

Thanks for the input, folks :)
 
Welp, I guess you learned one thing after ten years.

Nothings gotten better except the many ways the industry has changed to take the consumer's money with sleek looking under preforming crap so you have to keep buying more sleek looking crap.

MH/T5 is still the GOLD standard in lighting!

Not true. Skimmer design has improved a great deal. You should have seen the gigantic, noisy PM Bullet Beckett injector skimmer I was using, with a huge external pump, didn't skim nearly as well as the SRO I'm using now. God forbid looking back 2 decades to the wooden airstone powered counter current skimmer I once had :)

DC powered pumps and wavemakers are _much_ better than what was available a decade back. Better test kits (the low range Hanna Phosphate tester, for one). We're not having to import pallets of southdown play sand from the east cost... talk about a nightmare.

Much has improved, and I have no doubt that in time someone will come up with an LED that performs as well as MH/T5... but I haven't seen it yet.
 
Not true. Skimmer design has improved a great deal. You should have seen the gigantic, noisy PM Bullet Beckett injector skimmer I was using, with a huge external pump, didn't skim nearly as well as the SRO I'm using now. God forbid looking back 2 decades to the wooden airstone powered counter current skimmer I once had :)

DC powered pumps and wavemakers are _much_ better than what was available a decade back. Better test kits (the low range Hanna Phosphate tester, for one). We're not having to import pallets of southdown play sand from the east cost... talk about a nightmare.

Much has improved, and I have no doubt that in time someone will come up with an LED that performs as well as MH/T5... but I haven't seen it yet.
I was agreeing with you over led lighting.

I've been reefing for over 30 years so I don't need any schooling over any equipment.

In 1999 I already had a pump driven Berlin skimmer and had moved on from any form of
air stone (wood chip) skimmer!

Geezzzzzzzzz -----"Lighten up, Francis"
 
if you haven't already I would call Hamilton, they are very helpful and set you up with whatever your looking for
 
Welp, I guess you learned one thing after ten years.

Nothings gotten better except the many ways the industry has changed to take the consumer's money with sleek looking under preforming crap so you have to keep buying more sleek looking crap.

MH/T5 is still the GOLD standard in lighting!




LOL. MH's are great, we get it. Please dont generalize to all other equipment. Flow, return pumps were a joke compared to todays, and there are way more things to mention.
We cant argue that mailing a letter still gets the message through, but dont say emailing does not do it more efficiently
 
LOL. MH's are great, we get it. Please dont generalize to all other equipment. Flow, return pumps were a joke compared to todays, and there are way more things to mention.
We cant argue that mailing a letter still gets the message through, but dont say emailing does not do it more efficiently
Sorry... I was regarding lighting and nothing beats Kalk if can keep up with demand.

I apologize for that post that clearly reads like I has blanketing all new tech with one BIG Swipe.

My bad!!!!!

In no way would ANY of us want to go back to the early days, in over all equipment, tech and knowledge.

Hope u guys forgive me for that "Covers All" post!
 
Sorry... I was regarding lighting and nothing beats Kalk if can keep up with demand.

I apologize for that post that clearly reads like I has blanketing all new tech with one BIG Swipe.

My bad!!!!!

In no way would ANY of us want to go back to the early days, in over all equipment, tech and knowledge.

Hope u guys forgive me for that "Covers All" post!

No apologies needed, trust me many companies indeed are out there coming out constantly to get peoples $$ without anything to offer other than steal their trust. Ive been in those shoes many times!
Ive also always been a Mh guy and IMO they are indeed the Gold standard, like you said.
It took me long to risk it with leds, but gotta tell you, if it wasnt for the heat problems with the first ones, I would have stuck around with radium bulbs for years to come.
 
No apologies needed, trust me many companies indeed are out there coming out constantly to get peoples $$ without anything to offer other than steal their trust. Ive been in those shoes many times!
Ive also always been a Mh guy and IMO they are indeed the Gold standard, like you said.
It took me long to risk it with leds, but gotta tell you, if it wasnt for the heat problems with the first ones, I would have stuck around with radium bulbs for years to come.
Thanks, But an apology is fully appropriate especially to Greybeard!

I'm sorry Greybeard and I went WAY over board!

Yes! Greybeard, Led's can get it done, but there's "nothing wrong" with going back to plug and play MH/T5 and Kalk is still wonderful when used properly.

Regards, GoVols
 
Added the MaxSpect Gyre XF130 last spring and Love it.

Got lucky and bought the 2nd version with better blade design and reliability.

The little guy hasn't skipped a beat. (knock on wood)
 
Sorry... I was regarding lighting and nothing beats Kalk if can keep up with demand.

I apologize for that post that clearly reads like I has blanketing all new tech with one BIG Swipe.

My bad!!!!!

In no way would ANY of us want to go back to the early days, in over all equipment, tech and knowledge.

Hope u guys forgive me for that "Covers All" post!

I got what you were saying I think some people are being ridiculous and almost on purpose
 
I have a Hamilton Cebu t5/halide combo on my rimless sixty cube, it stands in the rim with Theo units that came with it. Really nice light.
 
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