Another "Get off my lawn" moment from the washed-up: ULNS??

[sirreal63]

I read it all, and to be fair, we know that he has used a few different bulb choices over the years but we do not know if the same camera was used or if the WB was changed and it is always very difficult to capture true colors with a camera. At any rate his ability to produce a beautiful tank is beyond question, no matter what light or nutrient control method he has used. It is logical to assume that his skills also increased with time and experience and that his experience led him to the path that works best for him.

 

[tdb320reef]

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The second video looks much more saturated.

 

[ryanrid]

what is it with zeo users that get so upset/defensive of the system? It is not a personal attack on you or your dog.

Biopellets are just an alternative method of carbon dosing, but work on the same principle, which both give similar results.

 

[Drae]

Damn kids! Stay off my Kentucky bluegrass!

 

[Allmost]

what is it with zeo users that get so upset/defensive of the system? It is not a personal attack on you or your dog.

Biopellets are just an alternative method of carbon dosing, but work on the same principle, which both give similar results.

Well I don't get upset on reef forums or anything reef related except AEFW I am sure jack also didn't see this as anything more than discussion between two reef addicts I learn alot from it (even if I don't admit to it right away haha) and I hope someone reading in future will too.

But I disagree with your second comment. While biopellets are just a way of carbon dosing, results are not similar to zeovit. Perhaps biopellets and GFO together are. Zeolith based systems, like ultra Marin, bright wells, and the vit have much better capability of removing po4 along with Ns. That to me is a big advantage, and perhaps the issue we see so often with zeovit, it is potent, and can make your corals pale fast.

But besides all that, I agree with jack, the tank posted above is simply beautiful, doesn't matter what filtration system, it shows the aquarists skills.

 

[Moser]

I think they both look great but I also prefer the overall look of the second video, not because of the additional blue light, but the corals themselves look healthier with deeper colors. The only thing that really matters is Krzysztof preferred the tank after stopping Zeo, his reasons are the one's I happen to agree with.

I'm not sure where you heard this?.

I spoke to Kryzstof when he was given the NP biopellets, as I was given some shortly after to try. This was just as they were coming to market. He had been running them for a few months and he said to me that he preferred the tank when it was running Zeo. The coral colours were deeper and darker when he moved to pellets, but above all, the maintenance and cost was significantly better with pellets and he was happy with the change."¦"¦

Mo

 

[ryanrid]

Well I don't get upset on reef forums or anything reef related except AEFW I am sure jack also didn't see this as anything more than discussion between two reef addicts I learn alot from it (even if I don't admit to it right away haha) and I hope someone reading in future will too.

But I disagree with your second comment. While biopellets are just a way of carbon dosing, results are not similar to zeovit. Perhaps biopellets and GFO together are. Zeolith based systems, like ultra Marin, bright wells, and the vit have much better capability of removing po4 along with Ns. That to me is a big advantage, and perhaps the issue we see so often with zeovit, it is potent, and can make your corals pale fast.

But besides all that, I agree with jack, the tank posted above is simply beautiful, doesn't matter what filtration system, it shows the aquarists skills.

I think Krystof's results show that both systems give similar results. After several years on zeo I am thinking of changing to pellets due to work travel and getting sore knees kneeling to pump the rx, if i do this i will continue to use sups such at B bal (best zeo sup IMO) K, xtra etc.

 

[sirreal63]

I'm not sure where you heard this?.

I spoke to Kryzstof when he was given the NP biopellets, as I was given some shortly after to try. This was just as they were coming to market. He had been running them for a few months and he said to me that he preferred the tank when it was running Zeo. The coral colours were deeper and darker when he moved to pellets, but above all, the maintenance and cost was significantly better with pellets and he was happy with the change."¦"¦

Mo

Mo, it came right out of his own thread. I may be looking at it wrong, but if he preferred Zeo and paler corals wouldn't he have gone back to it? If I inferred incorrectly that he liked the deeper colors better it may have been his choice in word grouping.

Thanks Richard, you're very kind.

I gave up zeo immediately and replaced it with biopellets. If your tank is in good form, you can do it this way. But if you want to play safe, don't take zeolites and keep a reactor with pellets at the same time. After 2-3 weeks remove the zeolites.
The color of corals became deeper, they aren't so pale like in zeo method.
I mainly rely on frequent water changes and add anything sporadically.

Krzysztof

 

[franklypre]

I've often been curious if people look at different pictures and see different colors/shades, I'm partially colorblind to the purple/blue. Seeing page after page of you arguing over this and that leads me to ask if perhaps your computer monitor or eyes are simply seeing different shades/colors. IMO overall health should be the idea rather than a debate over pale or deep color, what are the growth rates of zeo vs. pellets vs. Blu Coral Method. I hate to add fuel to the fire and I refuse to add pics that are not mine but look at the Italian tanks that use BCM, I don't see any Zeo that holds a candle to them. And for Galleon there are even some that use lower K bulbs if I remember correctly, check out that stickied thread of the best tanks from around the world.

 

[animalkingdom]

. The methodology used in this aquarium (essentially) is very similar to that of galleon.

Lies Lies Lies...that aquarium uses blue light...

 

[animalkingdom]

And your 100% positive that that coral would have looked better in the ocean?

What about this?

Vs

Never said the coral would look better in the ocean, corals propagated to look good in home aquariums probably do look better in home aquariums then in the ocean. But nature grows the best colors imo...

On a side note whenever you think you are beating nature remember you ARE nature...

 

[galleon]

How do dosing guidelines work for things like biopellets?

Feeding (amount of N and P to remove by heterotrophs), bioload, etc. all play a role in how much labile C should be dosed.

What happens to the extra C if something else limits the bacteria?

 

[wireefman]

I never meant that message to get across. We can all agree that zeovit produces a glowing, pastel appearance in corals not commonly found in traditional methods that don't use carbon dosing.

Let me rephrase that...Its easier to achieve those results using zeovit or carbon dosing.

I got into this hobby to recreate a piece of the ocean in my house... I want it took look natural... not like I gave my kid a box of highliters and said go to town... im not a stick person, I prefer corals that move and sway... every one of those tanks you have posted look fake...

 

[karsseboom]

I got into this hobby to recreate a piece of the ocean in my house... I want it took look natural... not like I gave my kid a box of highliters and said go to town... im not a stick person, I prefer corals that move and sway... every one of those tanks you have posted look fake...

Well it's not. Fake might be because the corals look so glowing its hard to imagine those being real. Having dull brown corals is somthing anyone can do. Do what they did takes a real skill.

 

[ryanrid]

I got into this hobby to recreate a piece of the ocean in my house... I want it took look natural... not like I gave my kid a box of highliters and said go to town... im not a stick person, I prefer corals that move and sway... every one of those tanks you have posted look fake...

what you doing in the SPS forum then? Why not stick to the LPS forums so you can see what you like?

 

[wireefman]

Well it's not. Fake might be because the corals look so glowing its hard to imagine those being real. Having dull brown corals is somthing anyone can do. Do what they did takes a real skill.

lol theres no skill in that... it takes money to run a full blown zeo tank

 

[wireefman]

what you doing in the SPS forum then? Why not stick to the LPS forums so you can see what you like?

I love interwebs tough guys. I post where I want to post and in what thread I want to post in...[profanity]

ive been in this hobby for 13 yrs.. ive had stick tanks.. just not what I choose to have

 

[karsseboom]

lol theres no skill in that... it takes money to run a full blown zeo tank

Have you ran a zeovit tank? You know what it takes to achieve those colors? If the answer is no then you shouldn't comment and stick to what you have experience with.

 

[wireefman]

yes I ran zeo on a tank for 8 months.. so yes I know the costs of setting up and running it..

you seem to get quite offended when someone disagrees with you.. but ill leave this conversation.. theres no point in corresponding with someone like you.. open up your mind to other possibilities and stop being so short sighted..

all I said is they don't look natural.. our lighting system manipulates the colors.. why... so people can make $$.. im not saying its a gimmick as a lot of the ideas behind it I agree with...

got any pics of a zeo tank under natural sunlight? with 0 actinic supplementation???

 

[ryanrid]

I love interwebs tough guys. I post where I want to post and in what thread I want to post in...[profanity]

ive been in this hobby for 13 yrs.. ive had stick tanks.. just not what I choose to have

wasnt being a tough guy but it dont make sense browsing and commenting on threads that you have no interest in....why not check out what interest you


cool story bro. sounds like your a real tough guy :lolspin: