Another "Get off my lawn" moment from the washed-up: ULNS??
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Glowing and vibrant? I see a many, not all, but many sickly looking pale corals.
karsseboom
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Those are brown. The corals from the zeovit tank look better out of water then those. Now show me some tanks like the one posted above without using zeovit.
karsseboom
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Sick looking is your opinion...not fact. Those corals are growing and thriving. Some of them have won awards.
Please stop with the ad hominem attacks. I'd like to keep this thread open. I'm not sure why you're so eager to make this about my tank, which has its own thread and all the corals are documented and were actually purposely purchased brown and placed in the tank within the last 4 weeks.
karsseboom
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That's my point. Point enough blue light at anything and it will appear blue. Like white sand for instance. The photos from the bucket demonstrate pretty clearly that the corals are not actually as vivid as they appear in the tank photos.
I didn't say they were brown. But large mature colonies of Acropora can certainly be brown. This example plus a million other examples on coral reefs everywhere:
There is Infact brown colony's in the ocean but they aren't usually collected. When divers are looking for corals they usually target the most color and vibrant corals and then propagate.
jazzman7838
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How about every TOTM that doesn't use Zeovit?
karsseboom
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with your way of thinking is everybody should run 6.5k bulbs because that represents the true colors. The problem with that is most reefers run there tanks closer to 20k so when comparing coral colors the base levels is 20k lighting. So you take 20 different 20k tanks and compare them. Some will look better then others under the same 20k lighting. Then we separate the nices from the not so nice. If the base level was 6.5k lighting and we took 20 different tanks and compared them we would still come out with the nice ones and not so nice. Some tanks will look better under 6.5k them others and I bet the ones that looked the best under 20k lighting will still look the best under 6.5k.
You want the Stndard comparison level of tanks to be 6.5k. The problem for you is those 20k tanks will still look better then your under the same lights.
If your wondering why I'm referencing your and again it because I'm trying to figure out why you start threads like this or the other one. The only conclusion I can come to is your tired of looking at beautiful systems, when yours doesn't look so. Then you discredit nice tanks by calling them out about using 20k, when you should be working on your own abilitys rather then tearing down reef tanks that have proven success.
Don't take this as a diss. I fully understand what point your trying to make and I agree with you on a lot. I just think your looking at things from the wrong perpestive.
karsseboom
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They don't have that glowing vibrancy. Yes people have amazing tanks but you can spot a zeo tank from a mile away.
You are sorely mistaken about all of that gibberish. I couldn't be happier with the way my tank is doing or how it looks currently. Calling out abilities is, again, irrelevant to my original question and simply nothing more than another another ad hominem attack. I am working on my abilities, thank you. That doesn't mean there is a universal law stating I can't call out what I know.
I know how the community majority here tends to views systems like mine. I know the general atmosphere how they feel about brown corals, yet I'm perfectly willing to show them and talk about what I'm doing in detail. This is not my first rodeo.
I know how the community majority here tends to views systems like mine. I know the general atmosphere how they feel about brown corals, yet I'm perfectly willing to show them and talk about what I'm doing in detail. This is not my first rodeo.
Maybe in person, this is certainly not axiomatic with respect to photographs.
karsseboom
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Well then let's just admire the tanks I posted. They are a living testament to the zeovit method cause they are like none of the tanks we see without using the method. The difference between a zeovit tank and other successful methods is the glowing vibrancy. I know a lot of really nice systems on out local forum, they are beauty in a different form. Like I said you can spot a zeovit tank from all them.
reefsurfing
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To say its the wrong perspective is very narrow. Its his perspective and I myself appreciate what he sees/shares. Do i agree with how everyone ( not insinuating galleon) shares their opinion all the time, no, but that's how we learn. I am sure if I read my posts from years past I might not like or agree with what I posted but it was my starting point. So if you have fifteen years or five months were always going to have different perspective than the other guy and that my friend is the beauty of these communities. So, thank you Galleon, kaserboom and others.
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NeilFox
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Would you say this is a Zeovit system?
I can spot a Zeo system a mile away. It isn't neccessarily my cup of tea. Karseboom mentioned cunareefer. I have been following the other zeo post with some intrest. Cunareefer uses Zeovit but he uses a very different approach. His is essentially a propegation system and he is very good at it, perhaps one of the best. He is conservative with his Zeo usage though and it shows. Most of his corals have a much deeper color. There are an awful lot of Zeo tanks out there that appear to me to have very unnatural and washed out looking corals though.
I can spot a Zeo system a mile away. It isn't neccessarily my cup of tea. Karseboom mentioned cunareefer. I have been following the other zeo post with some intrest. Cunareefer uses Zeovit but he uses a very different approach. His is essentially a propegation system and he is very good at it, perhaps one of the best. He is conservative with his Zeo usage though and it shows. Most of his corals have a much deeper color. There are an awful lot of Zeo tanks out there that appear to me to have very unnatural and washed out looking corals though.
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I hope people will continue to be civil but perhaps if we look at a tank that was Zeo and then switched from Zeo to a more traditional carbon dosed (with pellets) tank.
Switch to HD, it makes a difference.
Zeo
After stopping Zeo
To my eyes the colors are richer throughout the corals after Zeo was stopped. It isn't just the tips that are colorful, but the whole coral. That is not to say it wasn't beautiful before, but to me it is an improvement after Zeo was stopped.
Switch to HD, it makes a difference.
Zeo
After stopping Zeo
To my eyes the colors are richer throughout the corals after Zeo was stopped. It isn't just the tips that are colorful, but the whole coral. That is not to say it wasn't beautiful before, but to me it is an improvement after Zeo was stopped.
Allmost
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okay the question is getting lost here .... so everyone needs to back up for a min.
what is this thread about ? Carbon dosing ?
Carbon dosing is the current way to go, almost every tank with nice corals, doses organic carbon now a days, be it pellets, vodka, VSV, Zeovit, or fauna marine, or .....
now that CARBON dosing is out of question and we agree it works, now lets look at different methods.
1 method is dosing fluid carbon, like vodka, vinegar or sugar .... its just that
another is biopellets, same as fliud carbon, but with extra surface area of pellets.
third is complete systems, like zeovit ... they use zeolith for surface, bacteria and carbon source like vodka, and also other additives which makes it a full system, like Sponge power, they have ability to remove extra carbon and bacteria, like B-balance, which is trace elements, like zeospure 2, which is to lower the zoox within corals.
now if anyone has a question or concern about different carbon dossing, or just carbon dosing itself, please ask it clearly.
first article I posted explained this, lets not compare "tank sizes" or whos is bigger, we are passed that.
what is this thread about ? Carbon dosing ?
Carbon dosing is the current way to go, almost every tank with nice corals, doses organic carbon now a days, be it pellets, vodka, VSV, Zeovit, or fauna marine, or .....
now that CARBON dosing is out of question and we agree it works, now lets look at different methods.
1 method is dosing fluid carbon, like vodka, vinegar or sugar .... its just that
another is biopellets, same as fliud carbon, but with extra surface area of pellets.
third is complete systems, like zeovit ... they use zeolith for surface, bacteria and carbon source like vodka, and also other additives which makes it a full system, like Sponge power, they have ability to remove extra carbon and bacteria, like B-balance, which is trace elements, like zeospure 2, which is to lower the zoox within corals.
now if anyone has a question or concern about different carbon dossing, or just carbon dosing itself, please ask it clearly.
first article I posted explained this, lets not compare "tank sizes" or whos is bigger, we are passed that.
Allmost
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ok so from this post, we can conclude that carbon dosing is the way to go, and it works, so that part of question is done.
now Zeo vs none Zeo .... first, the 2 videos you posted are not good comparison, one is under white light, another under blue ... so that voids any difference ,.... look at color of the sand.
another point is, biopellets [they ar NOT MORE TRADITIONAL, they came out recently, zeovit over 10 years ago] are easier to use, so many would like it more, as well ... they are simpler to use. ppl like to solve equation with 1 variable, alot more than equation with 10 variables .... but equations with 10 variables, is more flexible.
animalkingdom
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I think this post just goes to show nature does it best...we'll all agree there I think...Compare:
Two words, say it with me: CONFIRMATION BIAS.
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