Whisperer
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Do you want me to ship a smaller one for you?
Another option for red bugs
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DNA
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I bet there are hundreds of ways to kill off these bugs.
The question remains how much damage does the method do to the coral.
Yesterday I was watching a Tjernobyl documentary and for most on site workers there was no immidiate ill effect. Extreme comparison, but look a modern medicine. They all have side effects and they may not be obvious.
I'm taking sides with Jim Z. here.
The question remains how much damage does the method do to the coral.
Yesterday I was watching a Tjernobyl documentary and for most on site workers there was no immidiate ill effect. Extreme comparison, but look a modern medicine. They all have side effects and they may not be obvious.
I'm taking sides with Jim Z. here.
ecomdesign
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I'll get back to you on that one. I would imagine customs would stop it anyway.
Thanks for the offer!
Whisperer
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DNA, feel free to find which method works for you. No one asked for you to take sides. This is "another option for red bugs." Well, find your own option. Maybe, you will find something that will help others. But until then, keep searching. It is disturbing when people do this. No one has ever yet posted a deadly consequence of using this method. The corals I dipped have been doing well.
battplus
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I'm sure the same thing was said about using dewormer for dogs, it had to be tested and then run in trials before it was used successfully, who knows if it too has long term effects. When I started this hobby in 2002, I had never heard of redbugs, now after only a few short years, there is a whole tank treatment that is not used specifically for reef tanks, but dogs, and it is a controlled substance by prescription only. That makes it almost impossible for the marketing companies to ever use the same active ingredient to develop a product specific to reef tanks.
Update: Still no redbugs and the corals dipped are coloring up nicely.
Sampo
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Well i'll be upgrading soon to my new DT although i show no signs of AEFW, or red bugs. I would like to make sure i have no issues of the kind.
Would you recommend dipping all live rock for 10 mins before its put into the DT? Also what about LPS,Zoas etc. Any thought on dipping them also?
Would you recommend dipping all live rock for 10 mins before its put into the DT? Also what about LPS,Zoas etc. Any thought on dipping them also?
ousnakebyte
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I wouldn't. You will kill off most, if not all, your beneficial microfauna and probably cause an ammonia spike from the die-off. In addition, who knows if it will hang around on your live rock and in what concentrations...?
If you are really worried about RBs and/or AEFW, then perhaps dip those - or set up a small QT tank for the time being - and put only your other corals in your new display tank.
Cheers
Mike
MelloW33
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I would not dip the live rock at all. I plan on dipping zoas and LPS in the near future so I'll be sure to report back.
agsansoo
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I've been closely following this thread. Even though i show no signs of AEFW, or red bugs either. I choose this method to dip two new coral from a CFM (coral farmers market) show on Sunday.
Things started fall off immediately ... Mostly those pest startfish and what appeared to be red bugs. Without a strainer, I not sure what they were. Next time I dip I will have to drain the pest into a clear container for a closer inspection. Corals seem to be doing fine, so far.
Things started fall off immediately ... Mostly those pest startfish and what appeared to be red bugs. Without a strainer, I not sure what they were. Next time I dip I will have to drain the pest into a clear container for a closer inspection. Corals seem to be doing fine, so far.
I don't think imidacloprid will damage the corals. The corals do not have synapses and neurotrnsmitters that this chemical interacts with in its target organisms. Imidacloprid breaks down in water under strong light in a very short time. In our aquaria it probably degrades in a day maybe two. In fact, it is probably a good idea to run "lights on" for twentyfour hours after dips to help break down any residual that makes it into the DT. Of course, we are presuming the corals don't readily uptake this compund or the breakdowwn products thereof. (But we already make the same presumption for levamisole and milbemycin, ivermectin, and Revive, etc..)
More on the photolysis and fate can be found here:
http://www.cdpr.ca.gov/docs/emon/pubs/fatememo/imid.pdf
This is a great thread. I will use this info the next time I need to dip.
FYI All, - there is a similiar Bayer product (for citrus trees) that is just imidacloprid without the other active ingredients present in the other bayer products. I will choose that one, even if it takes a little more volume to use it and costs a few dollars more.
As responsible aquarists, if we: 1) choose the formulation with just the one active ingredient (imidacloprid), and 2) after dips, we place our tanks/contaienrs in strong sunlight (out of reach of any pets and children) for a day or two before discarding the waste solutions, we will be minimizing any unwanted impcats on our environment.
Once again, I think this is a great thread.
Whisperer
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I felt compelled to post follow up pics of treated corals. I have noticed that although red bugs do not kill the corals, they appear to stunt their growth. Look at the new growths on the corals without red bug irritation.
Jan 30, 2011
March 22, 2011
This is the soli now, (it is the coral being dipped in the bowl in my earlier post)
Jan.18,2011
This coral has not show too much growth.
This one was the coral I forgot while dipping and was there for over 30 minutes!!!
So, DNA, the corals show no ill effects from the dip and better growth is the long term effect of the bug eradication.
Jan 30, 2011
March 22, 2011
This is the soli now, (it is the coral being dipped in the bowl in my earlier post)
Jan.18,2011
This coral has not show too much growth.
This one was the coral I forgot while dipping and was there for over 30 minutes!!!
So, DNA, the corals show no ill effects from the dip and better growth is the long term effect of the bug eradication.
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Typlus5
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If you make frequent additions, take advantage of frag swaps or are less than cautious on your addition protocol, it's not a matter of "if" but when you get these pests. Again, great thread and thanks for taking the educated chance so the rest of us can benefit.
battplus
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Makes sense, if you do some research, I've have come across threads that have claimed Bayer can be used to kill fleas on a dog or cat. I personally wouldn't try that one, but it def. helps to know it is in Advantage. I may test this one as well, maybe it's a possible whole tank treatment?
It does smell pretty rank....
