Another option for red bugs
- Thread starter Whisperer
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Those are great for control in moderation. The issue I have is that there is always going to be some form of pest in your reef, and when you trade, you have a chance of passing those pests on.
Dipping is a surefire way of eliminating those pests so you aren't spreading AEFW or any other pest.
Here is the other item used on this thread with the active ingredients.
Here is the contents :
Imidacloprid 0.72%
B-Cyfluthrin 0.36%
Thank you very much Typlus.....very helpful info and pics.
Tegee........
What is the difference in percentages of the active ingredient between the 32oz and the 40oz concentrated bottles?
Whomever is using the 40oz bottle - are you adjusting because of the concentrate? or are you sticking with .5ml to 2 cups of tank water?
Whomever is using the 40oz bottle - are you adjusting because of the concentrate? or are you sticking with .5ml to 2 cups of tank water?
+1 to this.
The Plus Germ has an active ingredient of Sodium O-phenylphenate with b-cyfluthrin.
The Insect Killer has an active ingredient of Imidacloprid with b-cyfluthrin.
If both work, then it must be the B-cyfluthrin that is doing the job, right?
If so, I'd be curious if there is a product that contains only the B-cyfluthrin.
Any thoughts? I'm wanting to pick this up today to do some testing. It seems the concentrate, which contains the imidacloprid along with a higher concentration of the b-cyfluthrin would be a better bet, as it should go farther if the other stuff works in the .5ml to 2 cup ratios, right?
So possibly something like this: http://www.petco.com/product/109605...-8381-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA
This has 11.8% of the b-cyfluthrin.
This has 11.8% of the b-cyfluthrin.
gon08
New member
It's possible that B-cyfluthrin is what is giving the results we're getting. It's a pyrethroid which is a very effective insecticide. Imidacloprid is a systemic insecticide which is applied to the root system of plants and is absorbed and distributed through out the foliage. This gives you an effectiveness of several months. Both these products are combined so you get the instant knock down of the B-cyfluthrin and the continued protection of the Imidacloprid for the next few months.
+1 to this.
The Plus Germ has an active ingredient of Sodium O-phenylphenate with b-cyfluthrin.
The Insect Killer has an active ingredient of Imidacloprid with b-cyfluthrin.
If both work, then it must be the B-cyfluthrin that is doing the job, right?
If so, I'd be curious if there is a product that contains only the B-cyfluthrin.
Any thoughts? I'm wanting to pick this up today to do some testing. It seems the concentrate, which contains the imidacloprid along with a higher concentration of the b-cyfluthrin would be a better bet, as it should go farther if the other stuff works in the .5ml to 2 cup ratios, right?
I have the concentrate, which contains the imidacloprid. I dipped with the 0.5ml to 2 cups ratio and it did kill the red bugs. I dipped a few days ago and the polyps are extended but nothing special. The color is somewhat pale still.
I did shake the frag quite a bit trying to get the bugs that were stuck off. I guess its possible I bruised or shocked that frag a bit.
I also wonder if the mix of 0.5ml to 2 cups is a bit strong with the higher concentrate? Im hoping more people would be willing to test this method out with a couple frags with bugs or not.
gon08
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Spun
I am using the concetrated product also and I dipped several frags I suspected may have AEFW. I actually went 3 cc in 4 cups of tank water. The water was milky from the 3 cc's and though I didn't find any AEFW there was also no negative affect to the frags. I get more signs of stress from betadine dips than I did with this product.
I am using the concetrated product also and I dipped several frags I suspected may have AEFW. I actually went 3 cc in 4 cups of tank water. The water was milky from the 3 cc's and though I didn't find any AEFW there was also no negative affect to the frags. I get more signs of stress from betadine dips than I did with this product.
icu2
Active member
I have used this dip on aussie scolys, acan bowerbanki, lords, and an sps frag I purchased with bugs on it. No ill effects. In fact, I forgot about one of the scolymias overnight in the solution and it was fine the next morning. .3 ml per pint is what I used and was the same stuff as on the first page of this thread. Why did I dip these other corals? Something was munching on them and I did not know what (except the SPS). It cured whatever was ailing them! PS did this 3+ weeks ago.
Dipped a few frags tonight - looking for AEFW. I dipped a mille frag, a tyree $500 efflo (this frag is one that I visibly confirmed that I have AEFW), and a different tricolor.
I dipped two frags for five minutes each, and a third frag for ten minutes.
I didn't see much fall off of any of them. They do show signs of AEFW, so I'm curious if my wrasses are keeping them more in control on the frags since they are easy to get to.
After I see how these dipped frags react in a few days or a week, I may rip my large tricolor out and dip it. It was the first to show stress, and it also has tight branches so I don't think the wrasses can get into it to dine on the little buggers.
I dipped two frags for five minutes each, and a third frag for ten minutes.
I didn't see much fall off of any of them. They do show signs of AEFW, so I'm curious if my wrasses are keeping them more in control on the frags since they are easy to get to.
After I see how these dipped frags react in a few days or a week, I may rip my large tricolor out and dip it. It was the first to show stress, and it also has tight branches so I don't think the wrasses can get into it to dine on the little buggers.
Dipped a large frag of a millepora, as well as a couple of other unknown acros that have shown damage.
Out of all of them, I saw one AEFW. I also knocked off a mysid shrimp - it writhed around for about 20 minutes in the dip. The flatworm was toast, though.
For those that have dipped for AEFW, do you typically not see very many? I'm 99% positive I have them - just seems weird I've dipped eight frags now and have seen only one, maybe two.
On a side note - all frags dipped had polyps out within an hour after the dip. The large mille frag actually had polyps out during the dip.
I've got video of them - just need to go through them and see if my zoom caught anything I didn't see with my naked eye.
Out of all of them, I saw one AEFW. I also knocked off a mysid shrimp - it writhed around for about 20 minutes in the dip. The flatworm was toast, though.
For those that have dipped for AEFW, do you typically not see very many? I'm 99% positive I have them - just seems weird I've dipped eight frags now and have seen only one, maybe two.
On a side note - all frags dipped had polyps out within an hour after the dip. The large mille frag actually had polyps out during the dip.
I've got video of them - just need to go through them and see if my zoom caught anything I didn't see with my naked eye.
Whisperer
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AEFWs usually start to move within 20 seconds of the dip and ususally fall off on their own within the minute. A little swirling helps to dislodge them. You have to inspect for eggs and remove them. I just dipped my pink milli again and removed more than 10. It was the same milli in my previous post that had those AEFWs (see page 2, post#49). I must have missed some eggs then. This time I used a magnifying glass and tried to remove questionable specks.
Stonefish13
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This is awesome. I decided to try this method I'll be at the hardware store bright and early. I have red bugs on at least three of my acros but I'll be dipping all of them as they are all still relatively small. I just wish I would've noticed the bugs before I put them in epoxy. I happened to take some pics and zoomed in and saw them. I can't actually see them with my naked eye and although I haven't seen any adverse effects I'd rather try and nip this in the bud before I do. I have a 220 mixed reef with over 100+ hermits, snails, emeralds and a variety of other invertebrates that would be impossible to catch so I have no interest in bombing the tank. I'm thankful that you pioneered this for the rest of us Whisperer.
Stonefish13
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I picked up Bayer Advanced 2 in 1 concentrate 40 oz. at Home Depot today. But should I also dip my Ora birds of paradise and my ponape birdnest and I have a couple other bird nests and also pocilliporas? Or should I just stick to the acros? Thanks for any input. I don't see any bugs or aefw on those corals but I'm thinking better safe than sorry. I already did the acros and after two hours all have their polyps out and seem to be fine. I didn't see many red bugs at all so I'm hoping I got to them early but if they come back I'll just dip them again.
Stonefish13
New member
I dipped everything and so far everything is doing great and actually looking better than before the dip. So thanks again for the great idea. It was important to me not to dose the entire tank and as long as I can keep dipping if anything pops up then this is a great solution to an annoying problem.
reefkeeps
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don't be shy, share the pisc.....
