Another option for red bugs

So I bought the Bayer Advanced that is listed here in the thread. Not the Germ Killer, the other one. It does say concetrate also, it says on bottle that it covers up to 6000 sq. feet I think.

I used the .5ml to 2 cups of tank water dose. It was at night so the tank lights were off. I left the frags in the solution for 8 minutes. I woke up this morning and there were still red bugs on the frags!

So I made up another solution of 1ml to 2 cups and put the frags into it. About 5 minutes in, the red bugs were still on the frags. I tried lightly swishing the frags in the water, but they did not come off. So I added another .5ml of Bayer for the remaining 3 minutes.

The red bugs are still visible on the frags, even after they have received decent flow. I am not sure why they are still on frags as most here have said they fall off quickly.

Did I do something wrong?
 
My dosage for AEFW is 10ml in 1/2 cup of water and the frags are fine as long as you don't extend 5 minutes of dipping (I haven't tried longer because the flatworms are dead by then).

Give that a shot and see what happens. Nothing I've dipped at that strength has showed any signs of stress, so I think it is probably still a pretty mild dosage.
 
flamron said:
My dosage for AEFW is 10ml in 1/2 cup of water and the frags are fine as long as you don't extend 5 minutes of dipping (I haven't tried longer because the flatworms are dead by then).

Give that a shot and see what happens. Nothing I've dipped at that strength has showed any signs of stress, so I think it is probably still a pretty mild dosage.
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Oh! Is this dosage the recommended for Red Bugs only? I really don't think I have any AEFW.

And are you sure that it is a full 10ml? Not a mis-type? I also have the concentrate, not sure if that matters either.

Thanks!
 
10ml - not a typo. 1/2 cup of tank water.

If it kills AEFW, it will kill red bugs. I'd almost guarantee it. I'm not saying you have them. I'm saying use the dosage so you can kill them.
 
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This is exactly what I use. I don't think they have the 40oz bottle any more - it is back down to the 32oz.
 
Ok then, that is the exact same product I bought. THe 40oz bottle even!

If this round 2 didn't do what I wanted, then I will upgrade to your dosing amount. Man that water must be milky white at 10ml per 1/2 cup!!
 
It isn't easy to see, that is for sure.

I take the 10ml and put it into about 1/8 of a cup of water, mix it up (because it doesn't mix well IME) and then put that water into the other 3/8 cup of water.
 
Also - I've never tested it on Red Bugs before. Only AEFW. So I can't say 100% that it will work, but I know flatworms are a heck of a lot more resilient than red bugs.
 
A few things here...

1) For me, it would be easier if we all kept the measurements metric. It's the standard, and when reading and trying to help others out, it's easier to have a unified standard than to have to go back and keep finding the metric conversion website. I know, it's not that big a deal, but just one other thing to have to do when it would be so simple for everyone to use metric! :)

2) No one, as of yet that I know anyway, has a "standard protocol" for this treatment. Meaning - I don't think anyone has done any controlled tests, replicates, etc. to narrow down a "proper dosage" - myself included here. We have all just been using "what works for us."

3) Having said that above, 0.5 mL per 2 cups (which is a little less than 0.5 L) is significantly lower than what I have been using. I have been using 4mL per Liter. It appears other are using a slightly higher concentration without ill effects. However, I have not been treating Tegastes "red bugs" but rather the acropora flatworms. So, I can't comment on the red bug effectiveness. I would however, as has been suggested, increase your concentration.

4) It also appears that many in this thread are using at least two different products. The product listed four posts above this has an active ingredient of Imidacloprid. The active ingredients in the Bayer "Home Pest plus Germ Killer" that I am using are Sodium o-phenylphenate and B-cyfluthrin. The one I am using is very effective against AEFW, but again, I have not tested on red bugs.

Cheers
Mike
 
If you want all metric, move to great Britain. :)

Fwiw, I tested some high strength b-cyfluthrin by itself and it had zero effect on AEFW.
 
Wow, I read through entire thread and I have no idea where I think I saw the .5ml to every 2 cups dose...

It appears that yes, this dose is much lower than what has typically been used.

Thanks everyone. Looks like I will need to treat again with a stronger dose.

Thanks people, I will report my results when I get them.
 
flamron said:
If you want all metric, move to great Britain. :)
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It's the science standard here even in the U.S. ;)


flamron said:
Fwiw, I tested some high strength b-cyfluthrin by itself and it had zero effect on AEFW.
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B-cyfluthrin is only 0.05% of the active ingredients. Sodium o-phenylphenate is 0.30% for the Bayer "Home Pest plus Germ Killer" which is what I have been using to kill the AEFW. "Other ingredients" are 99.65%............................

But, again, as I had posted earlier, I have been using Ivermectin to kill Tegastes red bugs, so I have not had any of them to try this on.

Cheers
Mike
 
Bayer is proven safe for SPS. It also has a wide therapeutic range that an overdose (except when one uses a pure solution of Bayer) will not kill the SPS. It is effective for both RB and AEFW. I have used it on many SPS and still do (dip only). My mixture is approximately 5-10 mL/500mL of saltwater. One can even go stronger than that, up to 20 mL per 500 mL of SW and still not lose any coral. IMO, standardization of dose is not necessary in this case since there is a wide margin of safety (although a weak concentration may not do the job). Just don't leave it more than 10 minutes. Water movement in the dip is a plus.
 
Anyone try this on monti eating nudis yet?

Has anyone had trouble with deep water acros with this dip, or any of the other notoriously fragile corals?

Also I may experiment using this stuff since I have been using revive for so long I am worried it might not be as effective as it was. Plus I did an interceptor treatment 2 months ago and this may help make sure they won't come back.
 
i will be trying this on friday for a couple of frags im picking up.i also heard that manderins can combat red bugs.
 
I tried it on a frag, seemed to kill everything on it, but I didn't find any flatworms (I had dipped everything 3 days before). The piece had a real small rock it was on. My skimmer went nuts after I put it back in the tank. I don't think I can dip everything I got with this stuff. Just dipping that one piece made my skimmer fill up more than when I dip my whole tank with revive. If no one has used this stuff on monti eating nudis I think I can find some test subjects and see what happens.
 
mightymizz said:
So I bought the Bayer Advanced that is listed here in the thread. Not the Germ Killer, the other one. It does say concetrate also, it says on bottle that it covers up to 6000 sq. feet I think.

I used the .5ml to 2 cups of tank water dose. It was at night so the tank lights were off. I left the frags in the solution for 8 minutes. I woke up this morning and there were still red bugs on the frags!

So I made up another solution of 1ml to 2 cups and put the frags into it. About 5 minutes in, the red bugs were still on the frags. I tried lightly swishing the frags in the water, but they did not come off. So I added another .5ml of Bayer for the remaining 3 minutes.

The red bugs are still visible on the frags, even after they have received decent flow. I am not sure why they are still on frags as most here have said they fall off quickly.

Did I do something wrong?
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You didnt. And yes there are posts here with dosage 0.5ml to 2 cups. I tried it on red bugs with no effect using Imidacloprid (the one you have). I bump it up to 2ml and red bugs were alive and happy (at least they looked this way). So I think we have to increase dosage of Imidacloprid to 10ml to 2 cups as someone did here.. to get any positive results.
 
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WOW 10 ml per 2 cups?tat seems like an aweful lot of bayer.i was going to try 5 ml per 2 cups and i was even thinking of less then that
 
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