Another option for red bugs

[cjtice]

I tried it on a frag, seemed to kill everything on it, but I didn't find any flatworms (I had dipped everything 3 days before). The piece had a real small rock it was on. My skimmer went nuts after I put it back in the tank. I don't think I can dip everything I got with this stuff. Just dipping that one piece made my skimmer fill up more than when I dip my whole tank with revive. If no one has used this stuff on monti eating nudis I think I can find some test subjects and see what happens.

Are you rinsing in "clean/Fresh" salt water after the dip? I personally have dipped many huge rocks in a 5 gallon bucket with this stuff and then swish them in another bucket of saltwater for several minutes prior to putting them back into the tank.

My skimmer has never shown a difference when I do the dipping.


Chris

 

[oscarslr]

I have been using this for 3 months now, saved me from AEFW once. It Works!

 

[siskiou]

Can someone please clarify which Bayer product I should get? They have a variety at HD.
Is it the one with the Germ killer, or without? I've seen both mentioned throughout the thread, with different opinions as to how well they work.

 

[jamesamantha]

I am an LPS guy and I have been battling the euphyllia white bugs for months with Interceptor, but they always seem to come back. I dosed my entire tank with a triple dose of interceptor yesterday. I feared I had interceptor resistant white bugs so I followed it up today with a 10 minute Bayer dip for all the LPS (6ml per liter). Bunches of tiny bugs fell of the euphyllia even after 24 hours of triple strength interceptor.

I found a few small flatorms (size of a pin head and a brownish color) that had gotten knocked off in the dip bucket. They probably spent an hour in the dip and were still alive and kicking. I am not sure if they are good or bad but it was interesting that they seemed to be unaffected by the dip concentration I used.

I gave the corals a 10 minute rinse in a bucket with a powerhead running. And from there a quick dip in another bucket of old tank water just for safety.

My favorite part was seeing one of the frogspawn post treatment belch out what looked like a tiny dead white bug. I guess these things are inside and outside the corals.

I will treat again in a week, 3x interceptor and a day later Bayer dips. Not sure how wise it is to do the double whammy but I didn't feel either treatment could stand up to these white bugs on its own.

All the corals look fine an hour after the dip, frogspawn, hammer, duncan, acan.

Thanks for the great info about your Bayer treatments.

James

 

[Eurobeaner]

Can someone please clarify which Bayer product I should get? They have a variety at HD.
Is it the one with the Germ killer, or without? I've seen both mentioned throughout the thread, with different opinions as to how well they work.

This is exactly what I use. I don't think they have the 40oz bottle any more - it is back down to the 32oz.

for real



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people. i made a big batch of this stuff and dipped alot of stuff. i had 2 small containers of fresh salt water to rinse... i guess the bit of stuff that was on the top of my hand from grabbing the frags out of the dip container didnt get washed off with the rinse container...... YEA, WATCH OUT, stuff is a bit stronger than i though and the little bit of stuff on the top of my hands that i missed rinsing got in my 150gal system. instantly paralyzed my 4 cleaner shrimp and numerous peppermint shrimp. they kinda recovered after 12 hr but ultimately didnt eat anymore and all died. the first hint to this issue was a TON of pods paralyzed and floating in the water column.

so WARNING. make sure you rinse everything off your hand before putting the frags back in the tank

 

[msp307]

I got it in my tank and everything was fine I guess it was diluted already. Just recently had a red bug invasion because I didn't dip prior and bam guess what all RB gone and beautiful PE once again. Love this stuff

 

[moo0o]

I don't think the complete insect killer for soil and turf works on red bugs. I tried 2ml 1 cup and red bugs for 5 mins and they still wouldn't come off.

EDIT: reread OP's posts, i guess ill wait until tomorrow to see if they are still there. ill try .5 ml 2 cups for 10 minutes next time.

 

[jdm18honda]

going to try it this weekend

 

[danil]

I don't think the complete insect killer for soil and turf works on red bugs. I tried 2ml 1 cup and red bugs for 5 mins and they still wouldn't come off.

EDIT: reread OP's posts, i guess ill wait until tomorrow to see if they are still there. ill try .5 ml 2 cups for 10 minutes next time.

You think lowering concentration ~8 times will work better? No way. I tried .5ml and red bugs were alive. I'm pretty sure for that kind of Bayer with Imidacloprid lower concentration does nothing to red bugs. I tried up to 2ml 2cups with no positive kill. flamron - used 10ml per 1/2 cup! With positive kill of AEFW.. which known to be tougher then red bugs. I would say we have to try 10ml per cup.

 

[scionreefing]

Looks like I'm joining the ranks of people who have dealt with red bugs. What's the correct treatment now?

Raffle grabber

 

[mduvall219]

I have read this thread a while back and can't remember if you can use this on a chalice. I have some flatworms on rock that chalice is on that I just purchased. Anyone tried on chalice? Thanks in advance for replies

 

[ricwilli]

Yes, you can use it on chalices

 

[sslak]

Edit: Nevermind.

 

[Tpro]

Surprise

Surprise

Great thread! Thanks Whisperer for the treatment tip. You have more cahoneys than I do. Thought I had red bug, and found out I had flatworm too. I dipped all my acro's yesterday and everyone is doing fine. As a matter of fact the acro's are happier. Better polyp extension. I used 2 ml in 8 cups of water. Was strong enough to kill the flatworms and red bugs. Took the worms about 30 min to die though, but irritated them enough to crawl out of the acros and try to crawl out of the container I was dipping in. Thanks again for the tip. By the way I used the one with germ control.:beer:

 

[RichardinMa]

I just dipped some caps for nudis and even though I rinsed them before putting them back in the tank, all of my amphipods and crashing, mysids are dying and my emerald crabs are flipped on their backs. Has anyone else had this happen? None of them came in contact with the corals dipped.

 

[RichardinMa]

7am Update: No PE on either piece and even the poor coloration on the green piece is gone. All emeralds dead, peppermint shrimp dead, lots of tiny crustaceans dead, yet there are two blue leg hermits walking around like nothing happened. The dose suggested was 10ml in 1/2 cup and I used 6ml in 2 cups. The small piece was dipped for 5 minutes and the larger piece was basted for less time than that. I have triple verified that this was the right product and cannot figure out why my experience would be so different than everyone else's. I can only assume that montis need a much weaker dose but I also don't know how to get enough of it off of them to not kill everything else in the tank when you put them back.

 

[Whisperer]

Not sure why it happened to your inverts. I do not even rinse the corals after dips and nothing happens to the inverts in the DT. Never tried the dip in montiporas myself, so I have no experience with that. Also have no experience with effectiveness of the dip against nudis. Hope you montis make it. I would give them gentle flow and place them low in the tank to minimize further stress. Hope some inverts made it. How about a partial water change?

 

[RichardinMa]

I plan to do a partial but have no water currently made up so it will be a little while before it can happen. I did add a fresh bag of carbon to one of the filters and hope that may pull some out. I tried to take out the peppermint shrimp as it was laying on it's side on the sand but when I did it grabbed onto the rock and held tight, obviously still not dead yet. The emeralds are very much dead, unfortunately. Even the two I could manage to get to still died in another tank. I pulled them while they were still alive but thrashing. This tank is a 47 bow front and the only fish in it is a green spotted mandarin (who is fine BTW) so there was a tremendous number of amphipods and a very healthy population of mysid shrimp in the tank. There are still a lot of those that appear neurologically incapacitated but not dead yet. My blue legs are still fine but I have not seen any of my scarlet reef crabs yet. I am very concerned about the ammonia spike that will likely follow.

The product was most definitely effective against the nudis. As soon as the pieces were put into the dip the nudis started writhing and could easily be blown off with a gentle puff from a pipette. They were dead within a minute or so. After placing one piece back into the tank I saw a tiny nudi that I missed crawling across the surface of the coral, trying to get somewhere fast- something you never would normally see- so I pulled it again and did one more rinse. I am thinking it is likely a dosage issue and perhaps due to the surface area of a monti, they hold more of the pesticide than Acros do.

 

[Reefer1225]

After failing to find any Interceptor. I attempted Whisperers treatment with a couple of frags that appeared to have red bugs or just simply lacked polyp extension and faded colors. 6 acro-frags all together. I used 10 ml for 2 cups for 10-15 minutes. I am happy to report, none of the frags died. No visible red bugs. Within hours after treatment, I saw polyp extension return after not seeing any for weeks. The only negative is that the colors faded/paled or browned, which I suspect was just do to stress. A couple of weeks later color is very slowly returning going through a slight brown phase. All my inverts (snails, emeralds, peppermints) are fine. I did rinse before returning frags to tank.

In sum, I think the treatments works and will continue to use it whenever I see a frag not doing so well. Thanks, Whisperer for having the balls to try this out.

 

[ousnakebyte]

FWIW, I've been using 4 mls in a liter of tank water - a far cry from 10 mls in 1/2 cup (KEEP IT METRIC PEOPLE!). This seems effective and doesn't use as much meds.

I've used this on numerous colonies and frags, and the only coral I have that is affected is A. hyancinthus - every colony/frag has tissue slough off after this dipping. Other than that, it seems very safe. I also rinse my corals after the dip.

I have never experienced the loss of a whole tank of inverts though. Some shrimps did try to feed off a colony after placing it back in the tank - presumably going after the coral mucus, and they looked like they had bad pie. But, happily, they recovered.

Cheers
Mike