Another option for red bugs

[aoeBombcat]

Your treatment spared what could have been major losses for me. I would not defend it as vehemently as I am had I not gone through what I have in the last year with these bastages. In addition, I have found what I believe to be Interceptor-resistant red bugs. This treatment and Ivermectin have now relieved me of those as well.

Does a true treatment protocol need to be narrowed down? Sure. Is the "optimal" dosage 3ml/L? 4ml/L? 2.765ml/L....? IS there even an optimal dosage? Does optimal dosage vary across different species of acropora or, if applicable across different species of Acropora polyclads, if they exist. For reasons I don't want to explain, I was not in a position to do this, but it was not for lack of knowing how - I needed them gone, and it worked for me as I narrowed my treatment down to what I have described.

To be skeptical is one thing. To ignore 17 pages of testimony with photographic and video evidence is bordering troll....

Mike

Mike and whisperer, I couldn't thank you 2 enough for giving us the alternatives, now I have 2 to treat red bugs. I was one of the skeptic when I saw whisperer's first post. I was like this dude is nuts. Then I started to read all the post with success, thats when I said to myself. What do I got to loss now, they have red bugs and will not be happy and will die sooner or later. So I tried it. And it really killed them. It's been over 10 days, and I have not seen any red bugs on that same coral. Hopefully no eggs on it.

By the way, I was one of those that have been calling everyone to see if they have intercepter to sell me..... People and co-workers think I am crazy... :facepalm:

 

[aoeBombcat]

Sorry that WAS a typo.
I currently use 10ml per 2 1/2 cups of tank water.
Bayer Advanced Complete Concentrate.
I did see 10ml per 1/2 cup of concentrate being used on here.I have dipped all my corals and will update the sheet when I complete my I'ds. Sorry for adding to all the confusion.
Thanks for catching that.

So that high dosage still is good. Wow, then I must be under dosing mine. Did your dipping water turn milky white?? I used 8 ml in 12 cups of water, that means you use almost 400% more then I did?? Did I calculate it right?? So if I see red bugs again, I can double the dosage!!

What's did you dip?? And how's the result?? Oh and how long?? The other question is, why your 5 ml in 2 cups not killing them, yet my 8 ml in 12 cups does. How long did you dip them?? Maybe dipping time also plays a part. If I remembered correctly, so far everyone has dipped it more then 8 minutes.

 

[bmhair03]

So that high dosage still is good. Wow, then I must be under dosing mine. Did your dipping water turn milky white?? I used 8 ml in 12 cups of water, that means you use almost 400% more then I did?? Did I calculate it right?? So if I see red bugs again, I can double the dosage!!

What's did you dip?? And how's the result?? Oh and how long?? The other question is, why your 5 ml in 2 cups not killing them, yet my 8 ml in 12 cups does. How long did you dip them?? Maybe dipping time also plays a part. If I remembered correctly, so far everyone has dipped it more then 8 minutes.

I will say that I had 0 fatalities and had PE within 1 hr of dip on almost all corals.The ones that took longer were the actual infected corals. But after two days they had better PE then before dip I believe due to no bugs. I will detail that more in the log.
My dip time was 12 Min's.
Yes ,the water is very milky. I think I will try 10ml per 2cups tank water next dip cycle.
Here's a short list of dipped corals
A.turaki
A.echinata
A.desaliwi
A.efflorescens
to name some.

 

[jcw]

Finally got around to dipping a oregon tort and a blue tipped speciosa that went from a forest green to dark green/brown.

Concentrate 5ml in 2 cups for 8 minutes.

 

[aoeBombcat]

I will say that I had 0 fatalities and had PE within 1 hr of dip on almost all corals.The ones that took longer were the actual infected corals. But after two days they had better PE then before dip I believe due to no bugs. I will detail that more in the log.
My dip time was 12 Min's.
Yes ,the water is very milky. I think I will try 10ml per 2cups tank water next dip cycle.
Here's a short list of dipped corals
A.turaki
A.echinata
A.desaliwi
A.efflorescens
to name some.

That could mean one thing bmhair03, there is a big range for the dip. That mean it is fairly safe to use as dipping to remove RB, and aefw.
!!

 

[Whisperer]

I have been saying that from the beginning...wide therapeutic range. See post #74.

 

[Dustin1300]

Dustin - I am so swamped at work that I have not been able to contribute to your spreadsheet - my apologies. But, I do want to mention that like others, if I am not 100% (or nearly...) positive on an identification, many will be listed as Acropora sp. I really don't like using the designer names - it's like nails on a chalkboard to me...

Anytime you can Mike. I'm just trying to add value to the thread and start having the dosage and common regimen documented. I've added a column for the scientific name and filled it in for all but one on the document. I've also made the adjustment for mL of Bayer to L of saltwater so we stay with the metric system:crazy1:

Now that it's not like nails on a chalkboard, I've added the columns so you can possibly document the dippings this weekend!

Google Sheet

 

[ousnakebyte]

I've also made the adjustment for mL of Bayer to L of saltwater so we stay with the metric system:crazy1:

I salute you sir! Been trying to get everyone to report in mL/L for many pages now.... :beer:

Mike

 

[gmoney243]

i dipped my corals using Bayer Advanced Complete concentrate 40oz bottle. 5ml in 473.176 milliliter of water for 15minutes and in the water clearly saw red dots when flashed a light on them they appeared more yellow, clearly redbugs dead. corals all fine seem unaffected by the dip no sign of bugs so far been since friday

 

[ousnakebyte]

i dipped my corals using Bayer Advanced Complete concentrate 40oz bottle. 5ml in 473.176 milliliter of water for 15minutes and in the water clearly saw red dots when flashed a light on them they appeared more yellow, clearly redbugs dead. corals all fine seem unaffected by the dip no sign of bugs so far been since friday

Nice... I appreciate the sarcasm, but honestly 473 mL is more useful to me for comparison than 2 cups....

 

[krazysvede]

Just did my dips and thought Id share my results.

I used the complete concentrate formula at 75ml in 2 gallons (~10ml per L) for 10 minutes. Everything is back in the tank now and I appear to have full PE on everything that was dipped. I dipped every acro in my tank. I did not dip any of my montis, stylos or birdsnests.

REDBUGS:
All of them appear to be gone. I will continue to monitor and report back.

AEFW:
At the end of the dip I dumped my solution and was looking at the bottom of my bucket and noticed several large AEFW still in the bucket so I added some water from my tank into the bucket and watched. For about 5 minutes the flatworms appeared to just float around in the water unmoving and appearing to be dead. At around 10 minutes one of them began moving around again the rest followed suit and at around 20 minutes all remaining flatworms were again showing signs of life. Below are some pictures including a picture of the Bayer product I used for the dip.

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[Whisperer]

I have not tried that kind of Bayer. I don't understand why you diluted the dipping solution with your tank water and report that the AEFW came back to life.

 

[Dustin1300]

I have not tried that kind of Bayer. I don't understand why you diluted the dipping solution with your tank water and report that the AEFW came back to life.

To me, this simulates adding the frag back to the tank. If they were buried in frag then they would still live once back in DT.

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[krazysvede]

To me, this simulates adding the frag back to the tank. If they were buried in frag then they would still live once back in DT.

Thats exactly why I did it. I read through the thread and didnt see that anyone had done it yet, so I figured Id give it a shot and see what happened.

I will say that in all dippings I have done with different products (revive, tmpcc, coral rx) This has been the most effective at knocking the AEFW off the acros thus far and thus far seems to be the least stressful on the corals.

The lights in my tank just came on for the day, I see no redbugs on any of the acros. Everything has really good polyp extenssion but my A. Granulosa, which looks a little rough, but I think it will make it.

Whisperer I used this version of Bayer because I thought it was you had used for your dippings. "Bayer Advanced Insect Killer Complete" post #1. Is it not?

Thanks Guys!

 

[Whisperer]

OMG! That's not the right one!!! J/K. That is fine. I used the one with "germ killer."
I suggest longer duration of dip should be done and/or increase concetration of the dip to ensure killing of the pest. Just need to place powerhead to circulate water.

 

[aoeBombcat]

Now, now Whisperer, be nice, !!! You are going to scare them off!! I also used that one. And that is what I got out of Whisperers post #1 as well. I ran out and brought "Bayer Advanced Insect Killer Complete" and then I came back and found out that is not what he used. I am going to buy the germ killer as well, before they ban us from using it....

Also incase if "Complete" no longer works on the redbug or AEFW, then I have another option. I think they both have different chemicals so if one doesnt, the other will!!

 

[krazysvede]

OMG! That's not the right one!!! J/K. That is fine. I used the one with "germ killer."
I suggest longer duration of dip should be done and/or increase concetration of the dip to ensure killing of the pest. Just need to place powerhead to circulate water.

Lol! I saw the one with germ killer in it when I bought what was used today. I dont know why, but I was ok dipping my corals in bug spray but bug spray with germ killer was just too much...

I plan to repeat the dip next Saturday. Now that I know everything made it through I will increase concentration and duration. What would you guys recommend going with next time? 1.5x dosage for 15 minutes? 2x for 20 minutes? Even longer and more powerful?

 

[wonrib00]

Krazy, I bought that one yesterday for a swap today. I got some coral donations from a public aquarium in the area that had planeria, and the new Bayer Complete Insect Killer didn't really do much to them after a 10 min bath. I used 1ml for every 8 oz of water. I shook the softies and most of the planeria came off. A 20 second dip in fresh waster took care of the rest. No SPS were dipped in fresh water.

Acros, montis, and birdsnest that were obtained from today's swap were dipped with 8 oz of water and 1 ml of Complete Insect killer. No signs of stress after 10 min. Acro has tons of dead red bugs on it, great PE. No flat worms seen, no nudis or eggs anywhere.

 

[gmoney243]

Krazy, I bought that one yesterday for a swap today. I got some coral donations from a public aquarium in the area that had planeria, and the new Bayer Complete Insect Killer didn't really do much to them after a 10 min bath. I used 1ml for every 8 oz of water. I shook the softies and most of the planeria came off. A 20 second dip in fresh waster took care of the rest. No SPS were dipped in fresh water.

Acros, montis, and birdsnest that were obtained from today's swap were dipped with 8 oz of water and 1 ml of Complete Insect killer. No signs of stress after 10 min. Acro has tons of dead red bugs on it, great PE. No flat worms seen, no nudis or eggs anywhere.

Should use more like 2-3ml per 8oz with the bayer complete 40oz concentrate.

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[gmoney243]

Nice... I appreciate the sarcasm, but honestly 473 mL is more useful to me for comparison than 2 cups....

Sorry couldn't help myself lol. But I agree would be easier and less confusing to use the same standard measurement lol

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