Another option for red bugs

Everyone has their own mixture they like to use, it is very confusing...

I use 5ml per 1 liter and it works. Many use higher concentrations, but I had adverse effects on my acropora when I mixed stronger.

BTW: Bayer Complete Instect Killer
 
Bayer Complete Insect Killer if you can find it.

I couldn't find it, so I am use the Bayer Home Pest with Germ Killer.
I am currently using 10ml per cup, and so far no issues. I did bleach out some sps when I used 20ml per cup as suggested by someone here accidently. I think it was a typo on that person's behalf. Corals are coloring back up though.

The two products are different as per Bayer. Bayer told me that individual stores choose which of the two they want to carry. A couple of reefers have told me that both work.
 
So its taken me DAYS to read through this. I have an acro frag with RB's its on a plug that has attached itself to a small piece of LR. I bought the Bayer Advance With Germ.

Am I correct to assume that if i use 10ml per 500ml (2cups) that would be safe and kill the RB's. Have not seen AEFW's.

Can I dip my acans? Is it everyones success that this is a good All-Purpose-Dip?

Thanks for the help.
 
I just treated my 1st corals. I used

Bayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer Soil and Turf Concentrate
10ml in 250ml tank water for 10 min
Rinsed in 2 different cups of tank water before they were placed in the tank.

I dipped 2 zoanthid frags and a rainbow monti. All 3 were open within 2 hours. Ill let people know if anything changes.
 
I Dipped tonight. Just got done. Dipped In 10ml Bayer w/germ, in 500ml tank water,for 7min. I did a water change at the same time. Used some old water with the dip. Rinsed in 250ml of new post water change tank water and 250ml of old tank water, for another 7min. Final rinse in 500ml of new mixed tank water. Found RB and AEFW. Did not know I had AEFW. Dozen or so AEFW, stopped counting RB once I hit 50. RB and AEFW not moving 30min after dip. Will post update about PE.

Question about AEFW. When do I do my next dip if everything is going well? I know RB are live bearers (sp). Dont know about AEFW life cycle. Any help from Anybody? Dip 3 days later, 1 week later, 3 weeks later? What is the interval?
 
Awibrandy said:
I am currently using 10ml per cup, and so far no issues. I did bleach out some sps when I used 20ml per cup as suggested by someone here accidently. I think it was a typo on that person's behalf. Corals are coloring back up though.
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I just read this entire thread, and there is definitely a common theme of confusion on dosage and product. Even in these last few pages, I see mention of typos, but that's not necessarily the case. It's taken me several days to digest all the different pieces floating around here, but I'll do my best to sort out a few of them.

divewsharks said:
WOW, just saw this! I apologize; I do not use 10ml per 1/2 cup, extreme typing error!!
I've done as high as 10ml/2cups; but have also used 2.5ml/2cups with good success against AEFW(as in them dying per post #363 of this thread).
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tektite said:
If you read through the whole thread, he continued to experiment with different dosages for different pests as his original trials were not effective enough for stronger pests. Ended up using much higher concentration than he started with.
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Yep"¦ Whisper gets all credit for getting the ball rolling on this, and back on p.9, you'll see that flamron is the person who started experimenting with different dosages and observing the effects on AEFW. Throughout this thread you'll find dosages ranging from 0.25ml/cup up to 20ml/cup"¦ that's a huge range. You'll find that flamron was using the "œBayer Advanced Complete Insect Killer For Soil & Turf Concentrate". See below"¦

flamron said:
Here is what I worked on yesterday.

I was basting my tricolor for AEFW and actually caught a few as they blew off before the fish ate them. So I figured I would test the bayer out on them. I started with .2ml in 1/2 cup of water, and the flatworm that I tested lived for over half an hour. It either died from the bayer or died when I was basting. I put a frag in each of the dips, also. For the first one, I used a frag of miami orchid. It looks fine today.

The second test I did 1ml in 1/2 cup along with a tricolor acro frag. I dipped for 10 minutes and the worm (new specimen) was writhing in some serious pain.
The frag looks fine now.

The third test was 1.5ml in 1/2 cup. The frag was a pink lemonade. The flatworm was seriously agititated, but still alive, after 8 minutes. Frag looks fine now.

The fourth and final test (due to time constraints- I will do more tests) was 2ml in 1/2 cup. The frag was a red planet. I dipped for six minutes and the frag looks fine. The worm was writhing and doing it's death roll - curling in a ball after five minutes. It did come back to life after six minutes, so I wonder I'd the bayer is only paralyzing them temporarily? It was still convulsing, so I doubt it had much life left in it.

I also dropped about .1ml into a very small amount of water on the first flatworm and it curled instantly. That is the effect I would like to find, but I would bet the concentration would kill any coral - that is what I'll be testing for.

If the coral can handle a higher dose for two minutes, then that is the route I will be taking. It will just take me some time to find that magic number. My plan is to test on several different specimens to reduce the risk of me killing a large colony.
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flamron said:
It did not work for me. Perhaps the concentration or dosage was too low? The flatworms seemed entirely unaffected in the

Dipped some more test pieces today in the Bayer Insecticide.

I amped it up to 5ml in 1/2 cup for the first dip. I tested a red planet frag and a tricolor frag. Dipped for four minutes. The flatworm appeared to be dead, so I dumped the water out and then rinsed the frags with tank water. I pulled the frags out and put them back into the tank. I went back a few minutes later and the flatworm was moving again! These are some resilient little suckers!

For the next test, I doubled the dosage to 10ml in 1/2 cup. I used a $500 efflo and pink lemonade frag for test pieces. I dipped for five minutes and then pulled the frags out, rinsed, and then refilled the cup with fresh water to see if the flatworm would come back to life. After ten minutes - no movement! I conclude that, as long as the frags survive, that this will be a very effective treatment.

Color is good and all pieces have as much polyp extension as they did before the dips.

My plan is to dip every five-six days, depending on how the corals respond. I've got to pick up a couple containers at Walmart to dip in. They are the big round 16g containers. For $7 bucks, they should work pretty well to dip in. I'll probably pull the MP10 off of the 40B so I have some flow in there as well.
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I just used interceptor spectrum on my tank and lost nothing in the tank other than a cleaner shrimp that I forgot to take out. Tank looks much better after using it
 
OK, a little clarification needed please.

I currently have no pests in tank, which is why I don't want to introduce any!

I plan on adding an sps & lps coral next week.

I plan on dipping them in Bayer Complete at the rate of 5 ml per cup for 3-5 minutes for red bugs (I have wrasses, so I'm not too concerned about flatworms).

After rinse can they go directly in to tank? or do I need to do a second dip after an hour or so?

These will not be QT.

I have plenty of interceptor too if needed. Please opine! & Thanks!
 
I have come to the belief that 1 dip simply is not enough. What if the coral has eggs on it? To me, it's just not worth the risk. Any piece I buy from here on out gets QT for 6 weeks, with weekly dips in Bayer, no matter the supplier.
 
mysterybox said:
OK, a little clarification needed please.

I currently have no pests in tank, which is why I don't want to introduce any!

I plan on adding an sps & lps coral next week.

I plan on dipping them in Bayer Complete at the rate of 5 ml per cup for 3-5 minutes for red bugs (I have wrasses, so I'm not too concerned about flatworms).

After rinse can they go directly in to tank? or do I need to do a second dip after an hour or so?

These will not be QT.

I have plenty of interceptor too if needed. Please opine! & Thanks!
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What kind of flatworms are you not worried about?
Red Planaria = yes not a big deal
AEFW = A BIG deal, you do not want to risk these in your tank, as your wrasses may never touch them and they feed on your acros, they are not just a nuisance as red planaria are.

Before I even dip, 95% of the time the frag plug is removed; if its a mari, the rock base is removed 100% of the time.
 
It depends on the product. Also, people have thier own formulations. I use the Bayer concentrate lawn and turf @ 10mL per 250 mL of salt water for 10 min followed by 2 separate dips (in individual cups) of untreated saltwater to rinse residue. In full disclosure, I never had any bugs fall off (other that the brown planaria) Perhaps I had clean frags but I doubt it. 2 weeks post dip I have not see aefw or red planaria, for what its worth. All corals have responded well with this concentration.
 
Is this beneficial to the coral for shipping stress or just for bugs? I was wondering as I didn't have time to dip my recent frag and already added to the DT. Thanks
 
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