anthias wound

[poknsnok]

i currently have a group of red stripe anthias in qt/hypo. they have been at 1.009 for 2.5 weeks. the large male has a half dime sized injury on his side probably from the eggcrate that was in the qt and is now out. i am also treating with praziquel until tomorrow.. day 7.. should I do anything? its eating fine and appears normal

 

[JHemdal]

poknsnok,

Whenever I hear of a fish with an "injury" on its side while undergoing hyposalinity, I always get worried that it might be Uronema. Anthias and Chromis get this a lot during hypo and 1.009 is lower than I would take an anthias.

Does this injury look red, with a diffuse outline and sort of loose, missing or raised scales inside it? Sometimes these lesions run diagonally, in line with the scale row(s).

I don't mean to be an alarmist, sometimes an injury is just that, but in this case, I have to at least wonder.....Uronema is a nasty protozoan that flourishes at low salinity, especially brackish water like you are running.

The typical scenario runs like this: a couple of weeks into the hypo, a fish will develop a red lesion. A few days later it will begin breathing fast, then die in a day. Other fish may or may not develop the same symptoms (Uronema is ubiquitous, it is found in most/all aquariums if you look for it, so it does not always tear through a tank like Cryptocaryon will).

Any chance of posting a photo?


JHemdal

 

[poknsnok]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11922177#post11922177 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JHemdal
poknsnok,

Whenever I hear of a fish with an "injury" on its side while undergoing hyposalinity, I always get worried that it might be Uronema. Anthias and Chromis get this a lot during hypo and 1.009 is lower than I would take an anthias.

Does this injury look red, with a diffuse outline and sort of loose, missing or raised scales inside it? Sometimes these lesions run diagonally, in line with the scale row(s).

I don't mean to be an alarmist, sometimes an injury is just that, but in this case, I have to at least wonder.....Uronema is a nasty protozoan that flourishes at low salinity, especially brackish water like you are running.

The typical scenario runs like this: a couple of weeks into the hypo, a fish will develop a red lesion. A few days later it will begin breathing fast, then die in a day. Other fish may or may not develop the same symptoms (Uronema is ubiquitous, it is found in most/all aquariums if you look for it, so it does not always tear through a tank like Cryptocaryon will).

Any chance of posting a photo?


JHemdal

you have described this perfectly.. great.. What , if anything can be done?? What is a safe hypo level for anthias? Or should they be qt'ed with copper for ich prevention? Im also using praziquel for parasites.. I got this advice (1.009 and prazi) from other anthias keepers on this site.. this is really upsetting. You have described the wound/leision perfectly

 

[poknsnok]

Jmemdal, Ive been scanning treatment of the uronema and one suggestion it to use a fw bath and /or Hypo.. go figure.. Also I saw where a series of formalin baths is used. Also, I have 4 other anthias, 2 clowns and a kole tang in hypo with 2 anthias showing the leisions. do all fish in this qt now need to be treated??

I appreciate any advice as soon as you can..

 

[JHemdal]

I sent you a pm with some advice - not a good situation though....

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

Wow, I didn't know hypo could actually cause diseases! So would you suggest using copper for QT of fish? I have heard that copper can hurt the micro-fauna in the digestive system in tangs. Hypo seems to be easier on the fish as well. I am about to hypo a school of chromis, and then anthias. Suggestions on how to QT them instead? Thanks.

 

[poknsnok]

here is one for you... actually reccomends hypo for uronema

http://fishgeeks.forumwise.com/archive/o_t/t_403/uronema_marinum.html

 

[poknsnok]

this one looks much better and is behaving better this am. I did a 25% water change and added a ton of carbon to remove the prazi..

this one is bad... i dont think its going to last much longer. sorry for the bad pics..

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

That's weird that they reccomend hypo, since JHemdal said it flourishes at brackish water levels? I just picked up some chromis, usually half of them die to some internal injury. I can't decide how to QT these fish.

 

[poknsnok]

its not that hypo is bad its the level .. the universal reccomended level is 1.009.. and according to Jhemdal, thats too low.. I understand your plight. I believe water quality has a lot to do with the onset of this. I treated with praziquil and had an elevated level of ammonia a few days ago because I didnt do enough water maintainance. I now have the ammonia at zero and the large male fasciatus looks much better today but this protozoa is bad so i give him 50/50. the other I believe is a goner but Im going to do a formalin bath this afternoon for an hour and see what happens. Im going to leave the large male alone because if its rebounded due to me bumping up the sg a bit i dont want to stress it too much.. But again it adds a lot of confusuin to what is the proper way to qt/hypo?? I dont ever want to use copper.. but I may try one day

 

[adam82]

that sucks joe. sorry to hear.

 

[DamnPepShrimp]

I hypo at 1.009, I thought anything above that wouldn't be effective for ich? I was considering copper, but hate using it. Sorry to hear about your fish, I hope they pull through. How did the formalin bath go? So if you were to start over the QT process, what would you do different? Keep water params in check, would you still hypo? Or copper?

 

[poknsnok]

<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=11932254#post11932254 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by DamnPepShrimp
I hypo at 1.009, I thought anything above that wouldn't be effective for ich? I was considering copper, but hate using it. Sorry to hear about your fish, I hope they pull through. How did the formalin bath go? So if you were to start over the QT process, what would you do different? Keep water params in check, would you still hypo? Or copper?

noone had formalin in my neighborhood so it didnt happen.. Im not sure what Ill do next time I qt. I havent had much luck when I QT.. I believe had I stayed on top of the params daily this would have been avoided..

 

[poknsnok]

top pic is from 3 days ago and the bottom is from today.. I started a formalin treatment along with antibiotics and help from John Reiter , the owner of the finest LFS in our area and finest Ive ever been in. Its eating as voraciously as all the others and I think I may have beaten it!!

 

[skatezen]

My anthias have this kind of wound too. Two have already died and another showing the same signs. However I do not have mine in hypo. How can you tell the difference between Uronema and a wound due to decompression with a needle? All my fish have had the lesion in roughly the same spot an all on the same side.