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I had one now already kept for 11 months, eats like a pig.
Any experience with Blue Line Angelfish? Chaetodontoplus septentrionalis
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I had a blueline for about a year. Unfortunately he somehow injured one of his eyes, it kept getting worse, and eventually it led to his death.
Besides that when the fish was alive he was very active, somewhat aggressive and ate a lot of mysis , krill and pellets.
I got him from a LFS in town that doesnt have the best reputation, but they always order fish that others wont. Example, they have a 10-12" Black long nosed tang for $300. But no one in my town will buy it. Anyways they have had 5 bluelines in the past year. 2 of them were pretty much full grown around 9". Also all of them were very thin and I had to quarantine mine forever.
Besides that when the fish was alive he was very active, somewhat aggressive and ate a lot of mysis , krill and pellets.
I got him from a LFS in town that doesnt have the best reputation, but they always order fish that others wont. Example, they have a 10-12" Black long nosed tang for $300. But no one in my town will buy it. Anyways they have had 5 bluelines in the past year. 2 of them were pretty much full grown around 9". Also all of them were very thin and I had to quarantine mine forever.
Tremelle
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t0mmy108, I got the confirmation email today stating it would be delivered tomorrow, Saturday. I was out of town until Friday noon, so I requested the Saturday delivery. I guess LiveAquaria does not check online orders regularly. In your post you stated you ordered from them on Wednesday evening. I ordered mine over the telephone with a customer service rep on Thursday morning around 9:15 am. It appears that maybe the way to order from them if it is a small quantity fish. I will post pics of it when it arrives to document it's condition right out the bag. Now I just hope the Chrysurus doesn't pick on it too much.
t0mmy108
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quote from Live Aquaria:
"Dear Tom Tran,
We are unable at this time to fill your order number A2482641.
New shipments arrive at our holding facility daily, so we will process your
order as soon as possible. We will send you an e-mail on the day of shipment
that will contain a shipping tracking number. "
I replied that I will be out of town from the 17th till 21st in Las Vegas and asked them not to ship anything during that week. Today, i recieved a reply:
"Thank you for your e-mail. We have sent this information on to our Vendor to hold your shipment until after that date.
Thank you for choosing Drs. Foster & Smith Live Aquaria for your live aquatic needs. You are a valued customer and we look forward to hearing from you in the future.
If we can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to contact our Live Aquaria Department at 1-800-334-3699 or via e-mail at customerservice@liveaquaria.com and we will be happy to answer any question(s) you may have.
Sincerely,
Technical Support
Drs. Foster & Smith"
I also noticed one for sale in the "Diver's Den" section for a higher price but is not showing they are available in the general "Large Angefish" section. I hope they come through with the order when I get back in town. All I ordered were two of the blue lines.
"Dear Tom Tran,
We are unable at this time to fill your order number A2482641.
New shipments arrive at our holding facility daily, so we will process your
order as soon as possible. We will send you an e-mail on the day of shipment
that will contain a shipping tracking number. "
I replied that I will be out of town from the 17th till 21st in Las Vegas and asked them not to ship anything during that week. Today, i recieved a reply:
"Thank you for your e-mail. We have sent this information on to our Vendor to hold your shipment until after that date.
Thank you for choosing Drs. Foster & Smith Live Aquaria for your live aquatic needs. You are a valued customer and we look forward to hearing from you in the future.
If we can be of any additional assistance, please feel free to contact our Live Aquaria Department at 1-800-334-3699 or via e-mail at customerservice@liveaquaria.com and we will be happy to answer any question(s) you may have.
Sincerely,
Technical Support
Drs. Foster & Smith"
I also noticed one for sale in the "Diver's Den" section for a higher price but is not showing they are available in the general "Large Angefish" section. I hope they come through with the order when I get back in town. All I ordered were two of the blue lines.
Tremelle
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The Blueline made it safe and sound. When I opened the bag, it was sticking it's mouth out the water. It almost seemed like it was running out of oxygen. As I drip acclimated it, it settle down and did not stick it's mouth out the water anymore. The fish has great color and is about 5" in length. My 5" Chrysurus and 4.5" Purple tang are not too crazy about their new tankmate, but the 4" Blonde Naso could careless. The Blueline stays out of the way of the Chrysurus, but still explores the whole tank. It ate with the rest of the fish when I fed them tonight. It also ate off of the nori I have clipped in the tank. I also dropped in some flake and it ate it as well. Hopefully things will be alittle more settle with the aggression from the Chrysurus and the Purple tang.
From the reading I have done on the Blueline, I would say this is a male. The males are suppose to have more blue in their face. If you look at the previously posted fish in this thread you can see the difference.
Here are some pics of the Blueline. It is hard to get a good shot of it since it is alittle camera shy. The first pic is of it in the acclimation bucket.
From the reading I have done on the Blueline, I would say this is a male. The males are suppose to have more blue in their face. If you look at the previously posted fish in this thread you can see the difference.
Here are some pics of the Blueline. It is hard to get a good shot of it since it is alittle camera shy. The first pic is of it in the acclimation bucket.
rmougey
Chair, MACNA 2014
OK.... I have to chime in and say no QT is a really bad thing. How can you have bad experiences with a QT tank assuming that you set it up and keep it running?
As far as Blue Lines go... they are great angels.... though can be picky. I had very good luck with a juvenile obtained locally, several years ago. But have also seen several that simply did not eat well and wasted away. My little Blue Line grew from about 1.5" to over 3.5" in it's 175 gallon tank.... until it found a small opening in the tank top that it managed to jump through.
Would be interested in hearing how the fish from LA is doing in a few weeks. I'd love to have another.... 3 years just wasn't enough!
-Rob
As far as Blue Lines go... they are great angels.... though can be picky. I had very good luck with a juvenile obtained locally, several years ago. But have also seen several that simply did not eat well and wasted away. My little Blue Line grew from about 1.5" to over 3.5" in it's 175 gallon tank.... until it found a small opening in the tank top that it managed to jump through.
Would be interested in hearing how the fish from LA is doing in a few weeks. I'd love to have another.... 3 years just wasn't enough!
-Rob
Tremelle
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QT is like any other process in the hobby, it may work for some but not others. I have come to the conclusion of moving the fish an additional time is not worth the stress. The fish becomes conditioned to not competing for food in the qt with a zero stress level. Then you move it. The fish has to condition itself again to a new environment as well as the stress of being the new kid on the block, as well as competing for food. My way maynot be the best way, but it has workded better for me and livestock.
This blueline eats anything that hits the water. It ate spirulina flake, Sea Veggies, and Spectrum small pellets. It is also eating off the nori clip. I also feed my own food mixture of mysis, krill, clam, cyclopeeze, and Formula Two. It eats everything. The aggression from the purple tang has decreased noticeably. The chrysurus will still nip at it when in close proximity.
This is the first fish, along with the Orange Spotted Blenny, I ordered from LiveAquaria.com. I will definitely add them my fish resource for future purchases. Their 14 day gaurantee is also a big plus. Most of the lfs around the DFW area don't give you any guarantee.
This blueline eats anything that hits the water. It ate spirulina flake, Sea Veggies, and Spectrum small pellets. It is also eating off the nori clip. I also feed my own food mixture of mysis, krill, clam, cyclopeeze, and Formula Two. It eats everything. The aggression from the purple tang has decreased noticeably. The chrysurus will still nip at it when in close proximity.
This is the first fish, along with the Orange Spotted Blenny, I ordered from LiveAquaria.com. I will definitely add them my fish resource for future purchases. Their 14 day gaurantee is also a big plus. Most of the lfs around the DFW area don't give you any guarantee.
Tremelle
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As far as corals go, I only have leathers and mushrooms. I would think it would depend on the size of the specimen. I would not think the Regal would be a problem for aggression, but the Emperor would probably take a day or two to settle down with the newcomer. I may start a new thread to document my experience.
marrone
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This is completely wrong and very bad advise. All fish should be QT as you need to check the fish out to make sure it doesn't have some thing as you need to worry about the fish in your main tank getting some thing and dieing. It also gives the fish some down time to settle down and easy some of it's stress from all the moving around. Also all the moving around that the fish has done has created a lot of stress and now your placing it into a tank where there are a lot of fish and now it will have to complete for food creating even more stress. In a 2 - 4 week period your not going to take a fish and make conditioned to be not competing for food if anything your going to start to get it to eat things that it doesn't usually eat in the wild making it easier to start feeding once it's placed into the main tank.
If you do QT correctly it will work and it's not like other process in the hobby where you can do things differently and they still works. This is very bad advise and other people shouldn't following this method, just look at the countless threads where people have placed a fish into their tank, without QT, and have out breaks and lost a lot of fish or all their fish.
pecan2phat
Active member
27 years in the hobby and I also have stopped QT on most of my fish aquisitions.
Of course if the fish is not in good health, then that's another story.
Of course if the fish is not in good health, then that's another story.
Mark
Premium Member
The problem with angelfish and QT, is that most people do not use large enough quarantine tanks. I would not QT a medium angel in anything smaller than a 55. It also takes a lot of effort. To get a finicky angel eating in QT, you'll find yourself adding a variety of foods daily, and doing water changes daily. Not ideal for the lazy.
The fact that most large angelfish have gill flukes worries me. The additional stress of relocating them an extra time from QT to display doesn't worry me if I know the fish is now disease free and the display tank is as well. Stress is a problem when disease is present, because it affects the fish's immune response.
The fact that most large angelfish have gill flukes worries me. The additional stress of relocating them an extra time from QT to display doesn't worry me if I know the fish is now disease free and the display tank is as well. Stress is a problem when disease is present, because it affects the fish's immune response.
Marrone,
I agree with you - not quaranting new fish is a horribly risky business. I wonder if most of this "quarantine" or "not quarantine" debate is due to people not using the same methods? I mean, I've heard some people say they "quarantined" their fish by holding it in a bare tank for 3 days, and then moving it into the main tank - or even by giving it a freshwater dip prior to just dumping it into their display tank<grin>.
If you use a well thought out, comprehensive procedure, you will always be more successful than people who don't have an appropriate process, yet both would report that their fish were "quarantined".
Mark is correct - Neobenedinia or gill flukes are a huge problem in angels....and so insidous as well. Everything will be fine for a month or two, (or 4 or 5!) then you'll see one of the angels start flicking its dorsal or anal fin. A few weeks later, one of the fish will start to look "tattered" with cloudy eyes. After that, all the fish will be seen breathing a bit heavily. Ah! bacterial disease you assume! Nope, just end-stage Neobenedinia. I haven't seen this problem in my own fish for the past six years - no doubt its been present, but it just hasn't made it through my quaratine process.
Jay Hemdal
I agree with you - not quaranting new fish is a horribly risky business. I wonder if most of this "quarantine" or "not quarantine" debate is due to people not using the same methods? I mean, I've heard some people say they "quarantined" their fish by holding it in a bare tank for 3 days, and then moving it into the main tank - or even by giving it a freshwater dip prior to just dumping it into their display tank<grin>.
If you use a well thought out, comprehensive procedure, you will always be more successful than people who don't have an appropriate process, yet both would report that their fish were "quarantined".
Mark is correct - Neobenedinia or gill flukes are a huge problem in angels....and so insidous as well. Everything will be fine for a month or two, (or 4 or 5!) then you'll see one of the angels start flicking its dorsal or anal fin. A few weeks later, one of the fish will start to look "tattered" with cloudy eyes. After that, all the fish will be seen breathing a bit heavily. Ah! bacterial disease you assume! Nope, just end-stage Neobenedinia. I haven't seen this problem in my own fish for the past six years - no doubt its been present, but it just hasn't made it through my quaratine process.
Jay Hemdal
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