Any results of Bellus Angel breeding?

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I'm going to be acquiring a pair of Bellus Angels and wonder if there are any know results of captive breeding them.

Is there any special environment that would help in creating a spawning event? From what I have read they spawn about 10-20 minutes after sundown.

What are the odds of a spawning event in my tank?

Thanks

Nick
 
Well Nick, I don't know much personally but Genicanthus bellus is amoung my absolute top favorites (just wish I had a tank large enough to house a pair)! If you can get any spawnings, well, I personally would love to know about it - keep us all informed!

I assume you've looked into the sparse info that's around for breeding & rearing Centropyge? Definitely a tough nut to crack but I'm sure it could be done and I'm sure the methods applied there MIGHT at least be a good starting point (but good luck figuring it out...obviously the info is being kept secret, especially considering that the captive bred versions of the Centropyge are selling as far up as $900 each)!

MP
 
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Nick,

food, food, and food!
Besides that tank volume- then size does matter :D - and tank height.

IMO getting fish the spawn is not the problem at all.
 
mwp, yes they are awesome fish. I will keep you informed of any spawning events and outcome. I have read the info about the centropyge breeding and from what I understand they genicanthus breeding should be similar.

Peter, I have heard as well that food for the fry is key. I'm going to do some more research on that issue as to specific food .

Thanks for the response guys.

Nick
 
AHA! I just remembered that somewhere, I believe University of Hawaii or it could just be someone in Hawaii, has successfully spawned and raised Genicanthus personatus. I think I saw it in the Aquarium Science Sea Scope freebie newsletter that you can get at the LFS.

I'll look it up, and if I find it I'll post a link!

MP
 
mwp, Yes, I have seen rcthawaii successfully breeding interruptus angels and a few others. Thanks for your help.

I'll keep you updated. Not sure why others have not tried though.
 
I'd really look into that Waikiki G. personatus info if anyone can find it or share it...afterall, whomever raised the first captive bred Genicanthus sure has more pertinent info than the folks raising Centropyge ;)

MP
 
Try looking for a bit of info on the G.lamark, i am pretty sure these have been worked on and i am pretty sure they were raised. The bellus should be very simular, but i am pretty sure the deciding factor was tank size!! As in real big... Also with these fish i would have thought very peaceful tank mates are a must also.

HTH
Mark
 
I spoke with Frank Baensch breifly about his Centropyge efforts, his comment was that the culture of the copepds used made it near impossible for a home breeder, and economically unfeasible even for a large aquaculture facility like RCT. Loving a good challenge, I ask him for more details on the copepods used, and their culture method.

He said to be successful, they had over thirty 60 gallon tubs to seperate enough larvae from the broodstock to feed three batches of fry. I bet with one batch, and a lot of hard work, it could be done. I'm sure you're not doing it expecting financial gain, you might be dissapointed if you are ;) I wanted to do Flames just for the chellenge...problem for me is getting a pair that won;t kill each other. At $50+ a pop, I quit trying after a few.

Being as you live near the ocean, it might just be possible for you. I had an idea for a multi-stage plankton tow, with filter screens graduating from large to very small. The larger pods would get filtered out in the early (large screen) stage, leaving only the nauplii in the last (smallest) stage. Frank thought that was a good idea, but it's 6 hours to the sea from here :(

Here is a copy of the last email, I should still have the others, but can't locate them at the moment. He did say the centropyge fry were "very similar" to the "larger angels"...kinda vague, but maybe it will help you some. Good luck, and DO keep us posted!
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Hi Jason,

Sorry for the late response.

The copepods we use for rearing Centropyge larvae are collected from the wild.

The larvae feed on the nauplii of two species in the early stages (the critical stages) up to about day 20.

One was identified as a Clausocalanus species, the other as Oithona sp.

I wrote several articles on the subject back in 2002-2003.

Hereรƒฦ’ร‚ยขรƒยข"ลกร‚ยฌรƒยข"ลพร‚ยขs a reference to get you started:

Baensch, F. 2003. Marine Copepods and the Culture of Two New Pygmy Angelfish Species. Freshwater and Marine Aquarium Magazine. Vol. 26. No. 7: pp 156 รƒฦ’ร‚ยขรƒยข"ลกร‚ยฌรƒยขรขโ€šยฌร…โ€œ 162.

My best recommendations to you would be to try and do some near shore plankton tows if you live close to the ocean and see what species you get.

Best of luck.

Frank
 
Wow,

What a help everyone has been. Such great, informative responses on this thread. I do appreciate everyone's input and will dig deeper on this.

All that previously responded will be first on the list to get a free bellus angel from the initial hatchlings. Well, maybe I'm getting a little ahead of myself but I will surely try.

I'm also going to check into the copepods at my local beach. Just 15 miles away so I can get their pretty easy.

Apparently the success of the fry will depend on the proper copepod diet they are willing to consume. I'm sure not everything out there is nutritious enough for them or even appetizing.

Also, there will be no real aggressive tankmates. Just 1 lineatus fairy wrasse who is very docile.

Thanks again.
 
I've looked everywhere and can't find the earlier emails. He detailed using 50 gallon drums for spawning, and the egg collection method, which was basically a screen on the overflow. The viable eggs will float, and can be collected that way, in fact Frank Marini here detailed it to someone not too long ago, a quick search would turn it up I'm sure.

Seems like I remember they incubated the eggs in glass beakers, and then moved them to growout tanks after hatching. I know I wouldn't have deleted those emails, but they elude me at the moment. You'll probably dig up better info by looking into MWP and Mark's suggestions. Try emailing Frank Baensch too, he was very willing to help me on centropyges, I'm sure he would do the same for you and your species.

I salute your ambition, if I lived closer to an ocean, I'd be right there with ya'. Maybe I should do something about that :D

Jason
 
Nick, I don't know if this will be helpful but my rotifer cultures are "infested" with SMALL copepods (adults are somewhere between smaller than or the size of newly hatched brine shrimp). These pods free swim through the culture under ambient light only, gallon milk jugs (however, when placed in a specimen cup hanging in a well lit tank, the copepods mass on the sides and bottom of the container).

In any event, if you could isolate these little buggers, they'd probably culture just fine, and I BET that with some staged seiving you could get down to the nauplii only (although there could be a lot of rotifers in the mix if you keep up with a co-culture instead). If and when you get in the need for copepods, I'd be happy to pack up a "starter culture" of these co-cultures and get it to ya (just take care of the shipping costs or something). Afterall, they may or may not be useable, but definitely worth a shot!

Matt
 
Matt,

That sounds great. I'm going to be picking up the pair of angels this weekend. I will definitely hit you up for some copepods when the time comes.

Nick
 
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<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=6782458#post6782458 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Peter Schmiedel
Nick,
food, food, and food!
Besides that tank volume- then size does matter :D - and tank height.
IMO getting fish the spawn is not the problem at all.

Can anyone recommend a depth necessary for spawning
Genicanthus ?
 
My pair of bellus angels have started spawning quite regulary. keep monitoring them but havent worked out any frequency yet. Will share if i do.
As for the depth, my tank is only 30"s deep.

HTH
Mark
 
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