Anyone Thinking of Dumping LEDS and going back to Halides

Please don't confuse better and worse with right and wrong. If you like a whopper more than a gourmet burger from a highly rated burger restaurant, it is not wrong, but the whopper is still worse.
 
jda said:
Please don't confuse better and worse with right and wrong. If you like a whopper more than a gourmet burger from a highly rated burger restaurant, it is not wrong, but the whopper is still worse.
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That is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, as you're still talking about someones opinion. If they prefer that burger then for them it is better....

The amount of close minded comments in this thread is absolutely staggering.

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LED guys, if you like LED and have success with LED then by all means enjoy LED. You're not wrong if you're doing what you think works best for you.

MH guys, if you like MH and have success with MH then by all means enjoy MH. You're not wrong if you're doing what you think works best for you.

T5 guys, if you like T5 and have success with LED then by all means enjoy T5. You're not wrong if you're doing what you think works best for you.

VHO and PC guys you need jesus. Seriously you guys are just weird. :hmm4: :lolspin:
 
I can understand VHO guys, have you actually seen a VHO lit tank? Too bad it is hard to find VHO these days.
 
Ha. I have seen vho lit tanks as recently as a few years ago. New hobbyist with not a lot of info bought a big tank from an old timer with a lot of brand new old stock vho bulbs. Blue and white. Looked ok. I don't see what all the fuss is about. A well lit t5ho tank with good bulbs is brighter and more vibrant.
 
jda said:
I think that similar wattage, high quality, VHO, T5 and MH (on wide reflectors) setups all look VERY similar to nearly identical.... almost to the point where if you have a closeup of the frag, then you cannot really tell. I am not talking about bad setups like small reflector MH, horrible T5s (oddysea and the like) or VHO on tar ballasts that all will all produce so-so results. LED is the outlier among these three.
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I am sorry to say this is very far from truth, I speak from my personal experience because I use MH, t5, and LED on thousands of coral frags, they look dramatically different under different lightings despite under similar PAR values. I wish people speak based on their actual experience, otherwise a thread like this is basically useless except for entertainment purpose.
 
Bpb said:
I don't see what all the fuss is about. A well lit t5ho tank with good bulbs is brighter and more vibrant.
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VHO and t5 is the same technology, VHO just more expensive to manufacture and requires larger reflectors. HO t5 actually put out less light than VHO per foot.
 
Other than only 4 bulbs to choose from, VHO does an outstanding job. The actinic white and super actinic are so good, that they are really enough. The internal reflectors get most of the light into the tank, but I always used one big one to help a bit too. They are particularly effective on tanks over 4 feet since T5 does not come in those lengths. VHO is twice the electricity, but also twice the output as a T5 so it takes 2 T5s to equal a VHO. So in a 6 foot tank 4 72" VHO bulbs can take the place of 16 36" T5s with the same output and same electrical costs, but a fraction of the bulb cost. URI claims that their bulbs will last longer than T5 too, which they probably do. I had a GREAT reef under VHO about 15 years ago and I still have all of the stuff. People can do a LOT worse than VHO. If URI would promise to be around in 10 years, I might fire up a 6' 250 with 4 of them.
 
jda said:
Other than only 4 bulbs to choose from, VHO does an outstanding job. The actinic white and super actinic are so good, that they are really enough. The internal reflectors get most of the light into the tank, but I always used one big one to help a bit too. They are particularly effective on tanks over 4 feet since T5 does not come in those lengths. VHO is twice the electricity, but also twice the output as a T5 so it takes 2 T5s to equal a VHO. So in a 6 foot tank 4 72" VHO bulbs can take the place of 16 36" T5s with the same output and same electrical costs, but a fraction of the bulb cost. URI claims that their bulbs will last longer than T5 too, which they probably do. I had a GREAT reef under VHO about 15 years ago and I still have all of the stuff. People can do a LOT worse than VHO. If URI would promise to be around in 10 years, I might fire up a 6' 250 with 4 of them.
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T5 come in 60 inch length. And grow great reefs. I run 6 on a 220 and there is plenty of par plenty of spectrum and color in the corals. Not doubting vho because I used them back in the day but new reflectors make the real difference.
 
jda said:
VHO is twice the electricity, but also twice the output as a T5 so it takes 2 T5s to equal a VHO. So in a 6 foot tank 4 72" VHO bulbs can take the place of 16 36" T5s with the same output and same electrical costs, but a fraction of the bulb cost. URI claims that their bulbs will last longer than T5 too, which they probably do. I had a GREAT reef under VHO about 15 years ago and I still have all of the stuff. People can do a LOT worse than VHO. If URI would promise to be around in 10 years, I might fire up a 6' 250 with 4 of them.
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VHO is less efficient than HO..

http://www.t5fixtures.com/ho-vs-vho-t5-fixtures/
HO – a high output bulb of this size will chew up 54 watts of electricity per hour. But for these watts the lumen output will be about 5,000 lumens. So calculating the lumen to watt ratio, that will give the best impression about the efficiency of HO bulbs. In this instance it is 92.6 lm/w.
VHO – but a VHO bulb of the same size – 4 feet in length – will consume more watts – 95 watts to be exact – but the lumen output will be much higher too. One bulb will be able to give out 7,200 lumens. So calculating the lumen to watt ratio for this VHO bulb it would be 75.8 lm/w.
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Usually VHO light ballasts need to be changed every 6 months or so, but HO fixtures in most cases don’t need to be changed or lasts for several years. This means that the VHO bulbs and fixtures need more care and therefore more money put into them. But of course it might be worth it if you want really great plants and rich yields.
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so it takes 2 T5s to equal a VHO
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Oh sooo close... ;)

2 t5HO's 10000lumens.. 1 T5VHO 7200 lumens..off by 39%...

Same spectrum's, PAR will be the same ratio..

Granted all generalizations..
 
It's interesting how many people buy into better and worse without understanding objective vs subjective analysis. You cannot say, objectively, that a gormet burger is better than a whopper unless you have a specific objective to measure against. Color of the burger, or coral, would not fit the definition.

But by all means, if you want opinion writers to tell you what is best, go for it. The world needs followers. :D

I know why I didn't like the LED choice I made, that's all.
 
The best success I had was with VHO supplimented tanks. The downside with them was the end caps. The corroded and nearly started on fire. Yes I found them smoking on more then one occasion. That was the end of them for me.
 
sirreal63 said:
Your links are to T5 VHO, not T12, which is what is being discussed. They are not the same thing.
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That makes it even worse..

(NOTE: none of this has anything to do w/ usability.. separate subject.. it just "is what it is".)

49lumens/watt............
215W 10700 lumens.........

http://www.bulbs.com/product/F96T12-CW-VHO

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BTW old chart as you can see by the LEd ratings which are currently exceeding the 120l/w "threshold"..
Standard disclaimer.. equal spectrum= equal phosphors = equal PAR..
 
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News flash...T5 will always be more energy efficient than T12, that is one of the reasons it replaced T12.
 
Wazzel said:
When I work in my tank I can feel some heat on the diode side of the fixture. Not as hot as when I ran MH, but still something.
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I turned a radion on once will it was sitting face down on my chair and it burnt 11 holes in my chair in about 10 seconds
 
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