Aquabacs' Cadlights Artisan 50 Azooxanthellae Tank build
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OK after talking with one of our phycologists, there really aren't that many "phytoplanktons" under 1µl. There are picoplanktons and bacterplanktons that do possess chlorophyll but they are not considered phytoplanktons. There are some really small blue greens, I mean really small.
uhuru
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Here is Jens Kallmeyer's post from this thread:
Both of the organisms Jens mentioned are actually cyanobacteria. I looked up Synechococcus and wikipedia says 0.8 to 1.5 microns. Prochlorococcus is 0.5 - 0.8 microns and considered the most abundant photosynthetic organism on earth. So you are right these are not phytoplankton. Would it even be safe to introduce this bacteria into our tanks?
Both of the organisms Jens mentioned are actually cyanobacteria. I looked up Synechococcus and wikipedia says 0.8 to 1.5 microns. Prochlorococcus is 0.5 - 0.8 microns and considered the most abundant photosynthetic organism on earth. So you are right these are not phytoplankton. Would it even be safe to introduce this bacteria into our tanks?
Which is exactly the point I and our phycologist made. There is not many phyto's under 1µl. Believe it or not, Phyto-Feast has Synechococcus in it just for this very reason. I'll look into the other cyano mentioned.
He's also wrong IMO/IME. Maybe in Germany he can't get phyto products that are not clumped, but I can show you slide after slide of various phyto brands from the US that do not clump to "particles that are at least tens, some even hundreds of micron in size." I'm not talking about just our own products but competitors as well. While I have a TON of respect for Jens that statement is off base.
He's also wrong IMO/IME. Maybe in Germany he can't get phyto products that are not clumped, but I can show you slide after slide of various phyto brands from the US that do not clump to "particles that are at least tens, some even hundreds of micron in size." I'm not talking about just our own products but competitors as well. While I have a TON of respect for Jens that statement is off base.
One issue with both Synechococcus and Prochlorococcus is they have a poor nutritional profile (lack HUFAs) for the most part. Most animals have shown they can not live on either of those alone (from what I have been told). Given they are the most prolific in the ocean it makes sense they'd be found in the gut, but what actually are they doing for the coral if they are not a good nutritional source?
uhuru
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Do you know if Shellfish Diet clumps? :hmm5:
Aquabacs
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Mike, did you notice that on a new bottle of SD? I only saw that once and that was when I had a bottle of SD that was being used longer that it was intended to be used for
the bottle of SD seems to last forever. Gresham, could you share with us again how long after the "best used by date" could the product be used for when stored refrigerated properly?
Thanks
Mike
Yes old bottles will do this, and ones not cared for properly.
I can't shed a ton of light on SD, as like I said, I am a RN person and that is where most my knowledge base is formed around in this company regarding our product lines. SD is not a long lasting product, IIRC you get around 12 - 14 weeks. Hatcheries use it well prior to the "best before". That is why we invented Phyto-Feast in the first place, so reef aquarium users can be able to actually use the product up prior to it no longer being acceptable to use. SD does not have all the species PF has, like Synechococcus.
I'll ask in the AM, besides me, the only other people here are the ones harvesting the phyto or bottling RN products.
www.shellfishdiet.com
FWIW we're working on yet another Phyto product that should interest you
I can't shed a ton of light on SD, as like I said, I am a RN person and that is where most my knowledge base is formed around in this company regarding our product lines. SD is not a long lasting product, IIRC you get around 12 - 14 weeks. Hatcheries use it well prior to the "best before". That is why we invented Phyto-Feast in the first place, so reef aquarium users can be able to actually use the product up prior to it no longer being acceptable to use. SD does not have all the species PF has, like Synechococcus.
I'll ask in the AM, besides me, the only other people here are the ones harvesting the phyto or bottling RN products.
www.shellfishdiet.com
FWIW we're working on yet another Phyto product that should interest you
Aquabacs
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Yes old bottles will do this, and ones not cared for properly.
I can't shed a ton of light on SD, as like I said, I am a RN person and that is where most my knowledge base is formed around in this company regarding our product lines. SD is not a long lasting product, IIRC you get around 12 - 14 weeks. Hatcheries use it well prior to the "best before". That is why we invented Phyto-Feast in the first place, so reef aquarium users can be able to actually use the product up prior to it no longer being acceptable to use. SD does not have all the species PF has, like Synechococcus.
I'll ask in the AM, besides me, the only other people here are the ones harvesting the phyto or bottling RN products.
www.shellfishdiet.com
FWIW we're working on yet another Phyto product that should interest you
I will be waiting patiently
uhuru
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No it doesn't stay clumped, but I wouldn't be surprised if the SD is getting too warm while in transit in the tubing, especially with these summer temps. This is where a nice setup like Mike or Steve has would be most beneficial. I will have very minimal traveling distance from my cooler to the sump where SD will be dosed in my new setup though. Less than 1 ft.
Aquabacs
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Finally starting to get a little polyp extension...just a little...but it is progress.
Mike
Finally starting to get a little polyp extension...just a little...but it is progress.
Mike
Western_reefer
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Its looking good!!
uhuru
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There's a small colony of what looks like a branching dendro on DD, at least there was last night, and the price was reasonable. I would actually consider it but I'm putting all my money towards equipment right now.
Gresham I tried to measure the temp of my SD last night but my temp probe was too slow to be accurate, plus it had been sitting in warm tank water before hand. The SD was surprisingly cool to the touch though. I will do a better job using a hand held thermometer tonight for you.
Gresham I tried to measure the temp of my SD last night but my temp probe was too slow to be accurate, plus it had been sitting in warm tank water before hand. The SD was surprisingly cool to the touch though. I will do a better job using a hand held thermometer tonight for you.
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