Leopardshark
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Yeah, a continuous SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
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robsmith32
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you can get rid of the hissing by simply putting an air filter on.. there plenty of posts in the asm club about doing that.
basicly take a small pvc tube, cap both ends, put filter bag of carbon in it, Drill 1/8" hole in each end.. stick 1/8 tube from ev air injector to one open end, you could drill more holes on the input end to make sure don't have any restriction.
basicly take a small pvc tube, cap both ends, put filter bag of carbon in it, Drill 1/8" hole in each end.. stick 1/8 tube from ev air injector to one open end, you could drill more holes on the input end to make sure don't have any restriction.
mburnickas
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Well I got my EV-120 on 4-13-2006. After reading this thread I started to worry as if I made a bad "upgrade" move.
Today, 4-17-2006, the skimming is getting there. Foam is coming up and into the cup. Not dark, but not water either.
It does take sometime to break in. Longer then instructed. Also the micro bubbles are annoying..bigtime..I hope they stop.
I DID find that the return outlet at 1" is too small with even a T on it (as instructed). So I put a 1.5" pipe on the simmer exit (after valve)..Works better, no pressure.
I hope it gets better with time..
Today, 4-17-2006, the skimming is getting there. Foam is coming up and into the cup. Not dark, but not water either.
It does take sometime to break in. Longer then instructed. Also the micro bubbles are annoying..bigtime..I hope they stop.
I DID find that the return outlet at 1" is too small with even a T on it (as instructed). So I put a 1.5" pipe on the simmer exit (after valve)..Works better, no pressure.
I hope it gets better with time..
robsmith32
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Interesting you're getting microbubbles..
break in, is definately dependent on setup.
what pump? i highly recommend the eheim1260 for that 120, the 1262 is amazing on the ev180.
how high is the water level if you close off the air?
I'm betting its a bit higher than an 1" over the top of the box by what you're describing. EIther that, or you have your pump pulling water from too large an area or airbubbles getting to it from the overflow.
what plumbing do you have coming out, of it, try taking that off an let it run free draining back into the sump, untill get it performing at least. Maybe put a 1"mpt into 1.5" T after but that water level in the sump CANT" be above the bottom of the 1" gate valve that is on the exit. Also the lenth of pvc needs to be minimized.
how often are you feeding or putting hands in tank?
Each time it will drop it back and it starts almost from scratch.
If i dose selcon, it looks like its running in freshwater.. but it recovers and within a few hours is back to foaming again.
I get Black skimmate, and its actually more than what i was getting with asm g3.
i had to take the g3 out to put the pump in the initial section of the sump for it to do anything. It does make a big diff where the pump is at.
break in, is definately dependent on setup.
what pump? i highly recommend the eheim1260 for that 120, the 1262 is amazing on the ev180.
how high is the water level if you close off the air?
I'm betting its a bit higher than an 1" over the top of the box by what you're describing. EIther that, or you have your pump pulling water from too large an area or airbubbles getting to it from the overflow.
what plumbing do you have coming out, of it, try taking that off an let it run free draining back into the sump, untill get it performing at least. Maybe put a 1"mpt into 1.5" T after but that water level in the sump CANT" be above the bottom of the 1" gate valve that is on the exit. Also the lenth of pvc needs to be minimized.
how often are you feeding or putting hands in tank?
Each time it will drop it back and it starts almost from scratch.
If i dose selcon, it looks like its running in freshwater.. but it recovers and within a few hours is back to foaming again.
I get Black skimmate, and its actually more than what i was getting with asm g3.
i had to take the g3 out to put the pump in the initial section of the sump for it to do anything. It does make a big diff where the pump is at.
robsmith32
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What skimmer you moved to the ev from? They're getting a bad rep lately, but think mostly its do to how they are installed, chosen pump, or issues with messing with tank too much.
joe healey
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Hi all, newby here. I bought a used 150 and mag 5 for my new system. When first togehter i got it to foam and pull a small amount of green skimate. Now it will not foam any more. Is this due to a new setup just starting to cycle and still have nothing but water in the tank. No live rock or critters yet ( i have dry rock in tank no bioload) . Do skimmers need some bioload before they will foam up and skim? I know I am jumping the gun here but curious. I will be getting some live sand from an established tank this week to get the cycle started. I cleaned it well before use took out the injector and removed all the salt buildup. I have it in a 40 g sump on a 75g tank. Also getting alot of microbubbles from it but most all are trapped in sump baffles. Will the microbubbles eventually stop?
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Joe
Thanks
Joe
mburnickas
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robsmith32
The microbubbles I guess are normal per Aquac for sometime. How long is too hard to tell.
The pump I am running is also what aquac recommends (#1 choice; mag 5). The air (when off) nothing changes. If I feed the fish (with garlic, vit c zoecon, etc) the water (aka foam) goes down to about 1/8 inchaes above the box.
The pvc I have coming out is this; after the gate valve it goes into a 1ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ MPT to a 1.5ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ slip fitting. Then there goes out linear to a 1.5ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ tee. One end up in the air and the other goes down back in the sump.
The summer gate valve is inline with the top of my sump. I did not want to put in a bulkhead so this was easier. The water level in the below sump is NEVER closer then 7 to 9 inches from the skimmer output.
The skimmer is getting better but it is very slow.
The microbubbles I guess are normal per Aquac for sometime. How long is too hard to tell.
The pump I am running is also what aquac recommends (#1 choice; mag 5). The air (when off) nothing changes. If I feed the fish (with garlic, vit c zoecon, etc) the water (aka foam) goes down to about 1/8 inchaes above the box.
The pvc I have coming out is this; after the gate valve it goes into a 1ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ MPT to a 1.5ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ slip fitting. Then there goes out linear to a 1.5ââ"šÂ¬Ã‚ tee. One end up in the air and the other goes down back in the sump.
The summer gate valve is inline with the top of my sump. I did not want to put in a bulkhead so this was easier. The water level in the below sump is NEVER closer then 7 to 9 inches from the skimmer output.
The skimmer is getting better but it is very slow.
Leopardshark
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Joe, I think it is normal if the skimmer is not pulling out any skimmate. As soon as you introduce livestock, it will start foaming again.
Marco
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mburnickas
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I think I figured out somethig. I have the EV-120 with JG so I can shut of air 100% and the JG pulls all the air.
So now I plugged the JG (for now; hook ozone back up later) and open the gate valve 100%. Skimmer goes NUTS with foam!!!!!!
So now I have the air valve closed 85% and it looks great...
now I still get micro bubbles (very fine) in the tank but i guess this is still nomal per aquac. I am going to email in the am to double check.
I still can't beleive the foam...unreal!
So now I plugged the JG (for now; hook ozone back up later) and open the gate valve 100%. Skimmer goes NUTS with foam!!!!!!
So now I have the air valve closed 85% and it looks great...
now I still get micro bubbles (very fine) in the tank but i guess this is still nomal per aquac. I am going to email in the am to double check.
I still can't beleive the foam...unreal!
robsmith32
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I'd guarantee the 1260 would be a better pump,
mine when i do selcon it still at least 1" above but looks like is running in freshwater for a bit.
You may want to take longer between your feedings, at least when soaked.
qo4000 seemed that way, as you're saying never really got going with letting it have 3 weeks, I took it off put a sen 900 I already had on for about 2 weeks, it was getting there, but I had to tweak it daily to get it back going.
eheim has produced more than either of those in 2 days than the month had spent on it prior.
and seems like across the board the initial mag they suggest will work, but not work well. Think this is probably one of the biggest things giving the Ev a bad rep, with people yeah they have one but not happy.
Just think with the sen I was pretty much like you said getting better buy it was slow.
to eheim and wow, this thing does really work.
just gander at blootang's pics if you doubt.
picture is worth a thousand words as they say.
on another topic, what kind of "pit bulls"
just let go of a 3 year old blue apbt, sweetest dog you'll find.
I miss the boxer/pitt mix had as a kid, was best dog ever.
wouldn't think to be very bright at some things you try to get them to do and just ignore ya, but then turn around and do something amazingly brilliant.
mine when i do selcon it still at least 1" above but looks like is running in freshwater for a bit.
You may want to take longer between your feedings, at least when soaked.
qo4000 seemed that way, as you're saying never really got going with letting it have 3 weeks, I took it off put a sen 900 I already had on for about 2 weeks, it was getting there, but I had to tweak it daily to get it back going.
eheim has produced more than either of those in 2 days than the month had spent on it prior.
and seems like across the board the initial mag they suggest will work, but not work well. Think this is probably one of the biggest things giving the Ev a bad rep, with people yeah they have one but not happy.
Just think with the sen I was pretty much like you said getting better buy it was slow.
to eheim and wow, this thing does really work.
just gander at blootang's pics if you doubt.
picture is worth a thousand words as they say.
on another topic, what kind of "pit bulls"
just let go of a 3 year old blue apbt, sweetest dog you'll find.
I miss the boxer/pitt mix had as a kid, was best dog ever.
wouldn't think to be very bright at some things you try to get them to do and just ignore ya, but then turn around and do something amazingly brilliant.
robsmith32
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opps forgot about the JG option, should have stuck out like a sore thumb, when you said you can close the air valve all the way and no change.
ScottyDon't
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CaptainCoral
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ScottyDon't....I live in an apartment that has paper thin walls. One of the things I like about them is that they are much quieter than other skimmers of this caliber. When matched with the right pressure/pump, they can duke it out with the best of skimmers. They are highly under rated skimmers due to their complexity. This thread is helping to dispel some of the voodoo though. They really arn't that difficult to understand.
mburnickas
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When I put in a new order for items I will get the 1260 pump. Right now the Mag5 (with JG fitting closed) is producing lots of foam. The air valve is closed about 80%. Foam is right at the bottom of the cup with gate valve open 100%. It really is unreal on the foam right nowââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦My old one did not do this.
Now I need to see about the microbubblesââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦..
J Our dogs are all shelter dogs. The wife did pit and rottie resue for years, and, well some ended up here. Great dogs. I would have to agree. The pits are very smart while my rottie is; but stubborn as hell!
Old pix but I need to update the page(s).
http://home.comcast.net/~mburnickas/our_dogs.htm
Now I need to see about the microbubblesââ"šÂ¬Ã‚¦..
J Our dogs are all shelter dogs. The wife did pit and rottie resue for years, and, well some ended up here. Great dogs. I would have to agree. The pits are very smart while my rottie is; but stubborn as hell!
Old pix but I need to update the page(s).
http://home.comcast.net/~mburnickas/our_dogs.htm
joe healey
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thanks Marco, that is kinda what I thought. However overnight it started to produce again. Anyway will wait for live stuff and a bio load
Thanks
Joe
Thanks
Joe
robsmith32
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I have a ballvalve that is teed off of the line, so i can open it and redirect some of the output back into sump.
I'm toying around with it, to find the best spot. When i had the valve closed, so that pump output was all going to the skimmer it would do well, now anytime i feed, especially if dose selcon or vitachem it dies.
I havent' had long enough running on the eheim to get those type results in skimmate quantity above but my foam looked like that after 1 day running on the eheim.
i have a similar bioload with 7 x 2-5" fish, I have a 7" blue throat trigger in QT about ready to join them.
I'm toying around with it, to find the best spot. When i had the valve closed, so that pump output was all going to the skimmer it would do well, now anytime i feed, especially if dose selcon or vitachem it dies.
I havent' had long enough running on the eheim to get those type results in skimmate quantity above but my foam looked like that after 1 day running on the eheim.
i have a similar bioload with 7 x 2-5" fish, I have a 7" blue throat trigger in QT about ready to join them.
rob, IME, the best way for the 180 is the pump running flat out with the air closed off around halfway. Gate wide open with the waterlevel at or just under the top of the box. I've never tried slowing the pump down so be good to see how yours goes. Mine dies with feeding, hands in tank etc to but recovers quickly, producing a lot of foam if I've fed a fair amount.
Also not competing against another skimmer?
Also not competing against another skimmer?
robsmith32
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not competing with other skimmer at the moment, its in the sink.
, have to let some tee off it, if go full bore, water level is couple inches above the top of the box.
thats why trying to valve it off to make it even with top of box.
exit gate is wide open.
, have to let some tee off it, if go full bore, water level is couple inches above the top of the box.
thats why trying to valve it off to make it even with top of box.
exit gate is wide open.
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