Are these percs or ocellaris?

[IFbettas]

I'm sure this question has been asked a bunch of times, but I haven't found any really useful information on ID'ing these fish as of yet. I know that you can count the dorsal spines to determine which species they are, but I can't get a good enough picture to count more than the first 6 or 7. I'm hoping some of you experienced clown keepers will be able to help me find out what these really are.
All I know is that they are misbarred, and I bought them as true percs.

Here is the female. I've had her for 3 years, and she has developed a dark brownish back over time. I don't know if this means anything. It's kinda hard to see in the pics cause I had to use a flash.

Here is the male. I got him only about 5 months ago because one of my original pair had died. He is still pretty small.

And a shot of the two of them together which shows the female's back better.

 

[criccio]

A. ocellaris

 

[IFbettas]

If you don't mind me asking... how were you able to tell?

 

[sedor]

Ocellaris are always a deeper, more vibrant orange. At least that's how I always saw the difference.

 

[dalston]

I use the eyes to tell the difference. Percs have a more orange eye while occ's have more black. There are other characteristics of course (# of dorsal spines for example) but that is the most obvious to me.

 

[IFbettas]

sedor, so are you saying these are ocellaris too? Keep in mind the pictures are washed out from the flash.

It doesn't really matter what they are, but I'm breeding them and want to know what to sell them as.

 

[IFbettas]

I use the eyes to tell the difference. Percs have a more orange eye while occ's have more black. There are other characteristics of course (# of dorsal spines for example) but that is the most obvious to me.

That's interesting. I'm going to have to pay more attention to that. The female's eyes have much more orange in them than the male. Is it possible they are different species?

Thanks!

 

[huggybear1000]

they both look like ocellaris.

 

[sedor]

http://www.psja.k12.tx.us/techcamp04/OceanLife/Nadia/Images/amanda/Other Types of Clownfish.htm - Here is a page with all the different types.

 

[jtrasap]

The top one looks like A. percula to me. The mouth and the heavier black don't look like A. ocellaris. Ocellaris will usually have a thinner more defined black outline to the bars, while the outline on a Percula will look like it's been smeared and is thicker. It also looks more yellow than the bright orange that is usually found on A. ocellaris. Count the anterior(front) dorsal spines; if it has eleven, it's A. ocellaris, nine; it's A. percula, and If it has ten; it's most likely A. percula, but, on rare occasion A. ocellaris has ten spines.

The second pic is a toss up, but it looks more like it could be A. ocellaris.

If you look at the two pics, the eyes of the second one are much more black. The first ones eyes look like A. percula while the eyes of the second look like A. ocellaris.