ATI BM200 and BM250
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the sicce pump are stronger then a lot of other pump (the way the build look like a small power head , but they have a one of the best motor inside)
the mesh mood make the skim look more light but this is will be also on other pump mesh compare needle wheel (i test it on some different pump and also on the original H&S 1260 pump)
i have the H&S original pump and this pump even not come close to the Sicce one , more then that the pump work not stabile there is a lose performance (you can put air flow meter on eheim 1260 and to check it for an hour you will see that the pump sometime lose air) ati decide to change the pump because this reason (when i read that at the begin i didn't believe.... i have the luck to see it on my on eye on the eheim H&S pump)
the H&S bigger skimmer body but those eheim pump connect half way up (if you will test those pump to skim on all the skimmer body they will keep lose performance and air)
when i connect 1 Sicce pump on the 30" high skimmer i was able to pull 25LPM with the eheim it wasn't more then 15LPM and fall down to 10-11LPM. and this was like deltec stile if you put the pump standard the pump not pull more then 10LPM
Hen , the Sicce pump strong then a lot of other pump and one pump can pull easy 1500LPH .
now let me tell you little secret , on the new BM300 they use on different pump shape that was special made but the motor it's the same as the Sicce on this pump they will connect controller and the speed can go till 5000 RPM and 1 pump can pull 2200LPH at 35 watt (and this is without a mod , as i know the sicce it's can be near 2500LPH with the mod , but this i will know 100% when i get the BM300) so , 2 pump on the BM300 will pull at least 4500LPH...
also on the BM300 the acrylic will be more thicker .....
more then that i check in other forum and someone test his BK250 with air flow meter and the skimmer pull 25LPM on my i pull 35LPM and i can go till 40LPM but the skimmer to short for that air flow (if the cup was 3" higher i was let it work at 40LPM)
the gen x pump are joke compare to the Sicce pump and to noise , more then that i find now that on those pump they still have the metal plate in the back (something they said they change in the past....) and i will not try to put this pump again in my tank (special with coral) .
and about the color of the skimming , if everyone will mod other pump with mesh they will see the different in the color : mesh compare needle wheel , also if the acrylic was in the BM skimmer the same gray color like the other skimmer it was look more darker but it's crystal clear and ppl do not put attention to that...
the true is that i am waiting for the BM300 if not i was buying the BK300 or the H&S 2000 2x 1260 pump and compare them to the BM250 to show all who perform better...
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hahnmeister
In Memoriam
Yeah, the only 'hot-rod' moddable Gen-X is the 4100, and its still limited by its outlet diameter and volute diameter, which makes it only a little bit better than an eheim 1262 (higher speed). Thats it.
BreadmanMike
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mavgi,
if you ask Ed he'll tell you how he feels about the BM250 vs the A200-2x1260. I don't want to post his opinion. At double the price+, it better pull out more...
I do look forward to the BM300, though it's way overkill for my setup.
if you ask Ed he'll tell you how he feels about the BM250 vs the A200-2x1260. I don't want to post his opinion. At double the price+, it better pull out more...
I do look forward to the BM300, though it's way overkill for my setup.
BreadmanMike
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johns
It will have two pumps. They are larger then the pumps on the 160/200/250. I believe this is one of the new pumps in the video.
It will have two pumps. They are larger then the pumps on the 160/200/250. I believe this is one of the new pumps in the video.
hahnmeister
In Memoriam
Gosh, thats still loads of turbulence in that central neck. Ever seen a BK with that much air? Its a nice, calm chamber, like ou were just using airstones or something. That BM looks just violent!
Hi,
@Hahnmeister
you are right. But I never said that a pump of 2000 lph airintake should run on a BM 200. I only made this video to show what we can do with one NORMAL ATI Threadwhweel pump now and I dont want to show the performance of a pump without a skimmer (no backpressure). The new BM 300 is completely different and will have no turbulences...
Sorry, but the pumps on the BM 300 are not larger. It is still the same pump (same motor) we use on the BM 160/200/250. But because of a new technologie we are able to generate 2000 lph now. And because of this, we are able to design very compact powerful skimmers. We dont need 2 or 3 pumps or one big pump to reach the same result.
But one of the biggest advantages is that the user is much more flexible to adjust the skimmer or to change the performance of a skimmer. The user can control the performance of a BM 300 in a wide range of -20 / +80 % (2000 lph - 4000 lph) now.
Thanks,
Oliver
hahnmeister
In Memoriam
Same pump? Nawww... youre kidding. That little pump can do 2000lph? What did you do, make a 'super threadwheel'? Lol.
Sounds cool.
Good point Oliver, that isnt the right skimmer body after all.
But I was looking at you tube last night, and found this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amj8J2HvNIc
This looks like the BM I saw, and that still looks pretty intense.
Sounds cool.
Good point Oliver, that isnt the right skimmer body after all.
But I was looking at you tube last night, and found this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Amj8J2HvNIc
This looks like the BM I saw, and that still looks pretty intense.
No, I am not kidding. It is true. That little pump can do more than 2000 lph. I will explain later (on a seperat BM 300 thread) what we did.
The Truth is:
1.You dont need big (expensive) pumps to create an amazing amount of Bubbles
2. A User of a BM 300 can control the performance of each pump in the future. You can play with the skimmer and it is very easy to find the right adjustment.
3. we were able to increase the performance AND Efficiency of our Skimmerpump. We have 1500 lph a 26 Watt and more than 2000 lph at 35 Watt. More infos and videos will follow in the ReefGeek Forum soon.
Thanks,
Oliver
Aquaticman74 :
IMO , skimmer size also depend on what bioload you have in the tank , i run the BM250 on my 120 gallon but i have heavy bioload and i feed heavy 2 time a day . the skimmer do the work and i empty cup 2-3 day this is shown that the skimmer do good job on my 120 also any skimmer can't pull all the water in the system and i believe that when more volume water that run thru the skimmer will give more water quality (if you try to skim empty tank the skimmer will hardly skim somthing and it's not because of the skimmer ).
i am sure that the BM300 will run also good in my tank end even will preform better because the water volume that will over in it .
when i was skimming the tank with the ER CS250 the skimmer never pull the same detritus i pull now with the BM250 and in my opinion it's very simple , the skimmer wasn't clean the water in the system as the BM250 clean now.
about the BM250 vs the A200-2x1260 my opinion different the BM250 pull more air/water and the result in the cup are better but on this every one have his decision also nothing can beat the mesh impeller you me and alot of other member here saw on the BK skimmer how the impeller type change the way of the bubble and air in the skimmer body with the needle wheel the RD don't produce half of it and i am sure if you put 2 Sicce pump on the H&S skimmer the result will be better then the Eheim pump, again it's just my opinion and ppl can accept or think other way , i and no one can't force ppl to think or to believe other way....
IMO , skimmer size also depend on what bioload you have in the tank , i run the BM250 on my 120 gallon but i have heavy bioload and i feed heavy 2 time a day . the skimmer do the work and i empty cup 2-3 day this is shown that the skimmer do good job on my 120 also any skimmer can't pull all the water in the system and i believe that when more volume water that run thru the skimmer will give more water quality (if you try to skim empty tank the skimmer will hardly skim somthing and it's not because of the skimmer ).
i am sure that the BM300 will run also good in my tank end even will preform better because the water volume that will over in it .
when i was skimming the tank with the ER CS250 the skimmer never pull the same detritus i pull now with the BM250 and in my opinion it's very simple , the skimmer wasn't clean the water in the system as the BM250 clean now.
about the BM250 vs the A200-2x1260 my opinion different the BM250 pull more air/water and the result in the cup are better but on this every one have his decision also nothing can beat the mesh impeller you me and alot of other member here saw on the BK skimmer how the impeller type change the way of the bubble and air in the skimmer body with the needle wheel the RD don't produce half of it and i am sure if you put 2 Sicce pump on the H&S skimmer the result will be better then the Eheim pump, again it's just my opinion and ppl can accept or think other way , i and no one can't force ppl to think or to believe other way....
Vegas_ReefMan
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I have my new BM-250 2 days old and working like a champ!
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9922012#post9922012 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jimdogg187
I think its great that theres a pump coming out with these stats. Cheap, powerful pumps are a great thing for the hobby, and skimmer freaks (like myself
All ATI needs to do is make a body big enough to handle it this time
this is the true , but on the BM300 things will be different...
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