Baby Bandit

The personatus will sell cheaper?

After tank conversation and fishroom built in 45m distance in an other building my pockets are empty for "one week" ;)

I love bandits and personatus but there is a big difference in cash.... :(

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Bad time for me. Lost several fish last months during fish go truth quarantine because I make to much mistakes. Lost bandit pair, female Goldflake of my pair, two Tigerpyge, one Clarion of two, male of Chelmon marginales of my pair, my oldest fish Zanclus cornutus after 3 years etc etc

Only my DT is old everything else change. Fish went to G stage in container. No fish dies by move. Just die because I am not able to quarantine rightly. In Germany it is not standard to quarantine fish so nobody in my environment can advise or help me.

Especially hard was to lost my Bandit pair. This is my favorite fish. Every evening I could watch mating dance.

Clarions I can buy every day in Europe. Conspicillatus are very rare and when they are arriving in Europe they are very large. Waiting over one year for the first. Interrupta also waiting long time. My pair start making dance last week. Bandits you can buy mostly the hole year. They are also big size.

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Bad time for me. Lost several fish last months during fish go truth quarantine because I make to much mistakes. Lost bandit pair, female Goldflake of my pair, two Tigerpyge, one Clarion of two, male of Chelmon marginales of my pair, my oldest fish Zanclus cornutus after 3 years etc etc

Only my DT is old everything else change. Fish went to G stage in container. No fish dies by move. Just die because I am not able to quarantine rightly. In Germany it is not standard to quarantine fish so nobody in my environment can advise or help me.

Especially hard was to lost my Bandit pair. This is my favorite fish. Every evening I could watch mating dance.

Clarions I can buy every day in Europe. Conspicillatus are very rare and when they are arriving in Europe they are very large. Waiting over one year for the first. Interrupta also waiting long time. My pair start making dance last week. Bandits you can buy mostly the hole year. They are also big size.

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Sorry to hear about the losses..

I'd like to know why bandits are easier to get in Germany? I haven't asked around here so I don't know how hard they are to get here, but is it just a fish with a steep price that makes it rare? Deepwater fish I know and such but just an honest question.
 
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Dejong from the Netherlands is the biggest wholesaler in Europe. He normally become 3 or four bandits. Thus fish are mostly sold in 3 till 6 months. Never stay by Dejong an see no bandit. Europe is no area for expensive fish. In the nearly last two years Dejong import 4 conspicillatus. One a year ago which I pick up and 3 half year ago. Two of them I pick up and one is still by Dejong. That means 1 have 3 received and one is still there in two years! Think in US or Japan this fish sold in one day. Also in Europe big Angels are not regularly. I now nobody in my environment who have them. Darf Angels are often. Interrupta arrive 8 in two years an Dejong sold 6. The tanks in Europe are smaller than in US.

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The tanks in Europe are smaller than in US.

Lol, what isn't smaller in Europe than in US other than gas prices? Having lived and studied in europe, it's pretty amazing how we still need monster trucks just to go from home to work on a perfectly paved road and freeway here in America.
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I'm just trying to ridicule our sometimes excessive and oversized lifestyle here in the states...starting with super sized sodas. Love Europe.
 
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Lol, what isn't smaller in Europe than in US other than gas prices? Having lived and studied in europe, it's pretty amazing how we still need monster trucks just to go from home to work on a perfectly paved road and freeway here in America.
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I'm just trying to ridicule our sometimes excessive and oversized lifestyle here in the states...starting with super sized sodas. Love Europe.

My experience is a bit different. I grew up in a huge house, so to me everything around here rather seems cramped. Some of the apartments I've rented here (for outrageous money) would not be deemed fit for welfare recipients in Germany.

And you're kidding about the "perfectly paved" roads and freeways in the US, right? Compared to most German Autobahn sections (or Dutch highways) the highways here are crap, especially here in California. City streets are often even worse. Wider, yes, better, not necessarily.
 
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Dejong from the Netherlands is the biggest wholesaler in Europe. He normally become 3 or four bandits. Thus fish are mostly sold in 3 till 6 months. Never stay by Dejong an see no bandit. Europe is no area for expensive fish. In the nearly last two years Dejong import 4 conspicillatus. One a year ago which I pick up and 3 half year ago. Two of them I pick up and one is still by Dejong. That means 1 have 3 received and one is still there in two years! Think in US or Japan this fish sold in one day. Also in Europe big Angels are not regularly. I now nobody in my environment who have them. Darf Angels are often. Interrupta arrive 8 in two years an Dejong sold 6. The tanks in Europe are smaller than in US.

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Angels were a big seller for De Jong when I went there during the 90s, the time when angels and butterflies were banned to be imported to Germany. After the prohibition ended the demand faded. It had faded before when the hobby shifted from fish to invert and coral systems. The prohibition made anyone rush to get the fish the always wanted, even if they had not the right tanks for them.
But even then Dwarfs were in higher demand.
Smuggling angels and butterflies was common - almost everyone who wanted one knew where to get them. Stores had special QT systems in hidden rooms or basements stuffed with contraband fish. De Jong knew very well what was going on and rigged the invoices so they would show similar "legal" species. I only got stopped once at the border and had to pay the import tax which we also never paid (hey, when smuggling, then do it for real :D). But due to the fingered invoice the tax was the only thing they caught us with.

Also, don't get the wrong impression from the people on this boards. Even here most tanks are small and not filled with expensive or large fish. The majority of tanks is below 100 gallon, most are 40 or 60 gallon. The people on these boards are the more hardcore reefers.

And lastly, De Jong was even by US standard a very large wholesaler when I went there. If he has expanded now he is easily beating most US wholesalers. Also, I doubt many if any wholesaler here would manage to keep a fish alive for years if it wouldn't sell. Most fish get sold so quickly that they have not even been fully acclimated.
 
Bandit and Goldflake eating pellets. Picky but they do. Evrtytime before feeding with frozen food I trow some Panta Rhei Sponge Pellets into water. Works thumbup



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Lol, what isn't smaller in Europe than in US other than gas prices? Having lived and studied in europe, it's pretty amazing how we still need monster trucks just to go from home to work on a perfectly paved road and freeway here in America.
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I'm just trying to ridicule our sometimes excessive and oversized lifestyle here in the states...starting with super sized sodas. Love Europe.

It all comes down to infrastructure. We have it, they don't. They have a long tainted history, we are relatively young all things considered ;) We started from scratch for lack of a better word and that is why we are this way. Not right, nor wrong - but that is how I see it especially after spending a month in Ireland...

Sorry to hear about the bandit.
 
Ireland is for Europe linke Hawaii for America. This are states there you could make holidays very beautiful but isn't representative for the kontinent.

ThRoewer explained it well.
My sample is power grid in US. Better is possible...

Also ThRoewer tell the truth about the crazy tank guys who are meeting here. ;) in German forums nobody over 500 gallon introducing his tank. To many guys don't like it to see that somebody has a bigger tank. This is not an American problem but one in Europe.
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... In Germany it is not standard to quarantine fish so nobody in my environment can advise or help me.

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It's not much different here. Quarantine is by no means the standard in the US as well. I would bet 95% don't do it. And most that do it now, started it only after a bad experience.

All my old German books (Mayland, Baensh, Klausewitz,...) would state how important quarantine is. And books were pretty much all I had back then.
As a beginner in the late 70s I quarantined and followed the books religiously. My problem was that I saw diseases that were not there and simple treated the poor fish to death with all the chemicals I threw at them. Few fish ever saw the DT. It's what happens when you read too much up on diseases and how horrible they can be.
At some point I just decided to roll the dice and put the fish straight into the DT. That worked actually better, but also not without losses
Though, after a while I found the right balance. I continued quarantining with a lot of fish, especially new clownfish. Though I also skipped it quite often with other fish.
In 25 years I never had a system wide outbreak or tank wipe-out.

It all comes down to infrastructure. We have it, they don't. They have a long tainted history, we are relatively young all things considered ;) We started from scratch for lack of a better word and that is why we are this way. Not right, nor wrong - but that is how I see it especially after spending a month in Ireland...

Do not make the mistake of confusing the British Islands (incl. Ireland) with the rest of Europe. The brits like to keep their old stuff around and still try to hold on to the long gone greatness of the British Empire. That nostalgia of the good old times is one reason why they just voted themselves "off the island".

Germany has a far better infrastructure (NL too) than what I've seen so far in the US, not just transportation, but also energy and other utilities. It was in fact the German Autobahn system (invented before Hitler came to power) that inspired Eisenhower to start the US highway system (though it's a rather bad copy).

Sometimes it also has its good side to lose a war and get everything bombed flat... you can start over fresh and avoid past mistakes (not just with infrastructure, but also with the government and the constitution).
 
Do not make the mistake of confusing the British Islands (incl. Ireland) with the rest of Europe. The brits like to keep their old stuff around and still try to hold on to the long gone greatness of the British Empire. That nostalgia of the good old times is one reason why they just voted themselves "off the island".

Germany has a far better infrastructure (NL too) than what I've seen so far in the US, not just transportation, but also energy and other utilities. It was in fact the German Autobahn system (invented before Hitler came to power) that inspired Eisenhower to start the US highway system (though it's a rather bad copy).

Sometimes it also has its good side to lose a war and get everything bombed flat... you can start over fresh and avoid past mistakes (not just with infrastructure, but also with the government and the constitution).

British - fair point. I can see that reasoning and don't think I would disagree.

Germany again, yes. Fair assessment on all accounts.

Had a bunch more written but then removed it :) Probably not on topic. I will say tough I don't quarantine. Not set up, never have, it probably isn't wise, etc. I am considering it with the new tank though but I don't have room for a large QT. So not sure how that is managed with larger fish, even small, such has tangs, etc since all I have to work with is a 29 gallon bio-cube.
 
And you're kidding about the "perfectly paved" roads and freeways in the US, right? Compared to most German Autobahn sections (or Dutch highways) the highways here are crap, especially here in California. City streets are often even worse. Wider, yes, better, not necessarily.

The point here was why do we need monster off road vehicles for daily use on perfectly paved roads and freeways? In Europe people ride motorcycles, small cars and bicycles for what we do here on these big trucks. You live in Fremont? I've driven on 680 quite a few times as recently as July. Other than it being congested it's a very nice freeway.
 
The point here was why do we need monster off road vehicles for daily use on perfectly paved roads and freeways? In Europe people ride motorcycles, small cars and bicycles for what we do here on these big trucks. You live in Fremont? I've driven on 680 quite a few times as recently as July. Other than it being congested it's a very nice freeway.

680 has always been baby butt smooth. I used to commute from Sac and always hated 680 - that is the stretch of road I would always fall asleep on :( Except for the area around the bridge but they re-worked that early 2000.

So what size tanks to most recommend for QT?
 
I have 2 Qts. 1 I use only for prazi, and another, larger for prazi and CP.
I use the larger 104g for tangs and Angels really. It will obviously handle more fish/larger fish.
My 30g I use for my wrasses and gobies. It has a little bit of sand for the in a couple corners.

I feed and observe for usually about 5-7days, then I do a 7 day treatment of PP. Then 1/2 tank WC, followed by another 7 day treatment.
I also usually do a 50min formalin dip prior to QT and after QT as well
 
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