Bacteria Additives for Cycling

Random Aquarist

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It's been 3 weeks now and my ammonia levels are still off the charts. When my tank cycled last time, it didn't take nearly this long. I have a feeling that a lot of bacteria died during the long period of stagnantation between these two cycles. Anyway, should I get a "bacterial booster"?
 
Could you describe your cycling process in a little more detail. How much live rock are you using. Was it live when you added it. If so, was the rock cured or uncured. Are you skimming. What do you have for water circulation?
 
Ive used BIO SPIRA before..and on my new setup. It has been running since sunday feb. 24th..I added Bio Spira on monday... and last night i added 3 turbo snails.. they seem happy and on the move. If they make it through night 2.. im adding a few damsels..
 
I used Cycle on mine though I am in the camp that says you probably don't need it. I just liked spending the money so I could get in the habit of just pouring money into the tank.
 
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Just buy a bunch of mollies, drip-acclimate them to saltwater in a bucket over a fews hours, then dump 'em in. Next, feed the crap out of them (all they can eat several times a day) so that the bio- load is higher. Do this for several weeks and you should be good to go.

Plus, you can start quarantining you first s/w fish while the tank cycles. The mollies will be disease free if they came from freshwater (the f/w diseases most likely won't survive the s/w). And if you allow them to cycle the tank for a standard quarantine time period (4-6 weeks), you will be well on your way.

Adding cured live rock will also be a good idea from the start. Then you have the bacteria, the fish/food add the ammonia.....voila!
 
Well, here's a rough timeline:

July- cured LR for a couple months in separate tank

September- added LR to tank

September- 1 cycle of tank took approx. five weeks

November- tank left stagnant and unmaintained

January- drained tank, left waterless for a day

January- filled tank with new water, 2nd cycle began

Are mollies really the best idea? Will they really be able to live in there with such high ammonia, nitrites, and nitrates?
 
MT, please tell me you're kidding about the mollies. You sound serious, but I'd really like to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's a joke.

Random, my only guess here is that you have a large amount of die-off between leaving the tank stagnant for 2-3 months and then waterless for an entire day. My suggestion would be to remove all of the rock, scrub off anything dead or dying and give it a good salt water rinse. Then, do a nice big water change (30-40%). Once all of that is done, continue to do regular water changes (10-20% a week would be my suggestion), keep your powerheads circulating the water, and skim, skim, skim.
 
You've got plenty of bacteria, you just need a dose of patience and a big waterchange or two.

And the mollies is a terrible idea. Besides it being cruel to cycle with animals, you have plenty of ammonia and they wouldn't do jack except die.

You might also test your test kits. Mix up some saltwater for 24 hours or so (in a container) and test it. If its off the charts too then get a new kit.
 
No I was not kidding about the mollies......based on the info in the original post and my perception of the problem/question.

There was no mention of live rock, or other background information given, as in Random Aquarist's second post. To me, it sounded like the last tank that he cycled took less time than this tank is taking, and was asking for suggestions (including the use of bacterial additives) for helping the process along. This is why I posted what I would suggest for cycling a tank.

If I had known that there was a bunch of 'dead' live rock in the water, and that the tank was let to go bad and kill all the stuff in/on the rock.....I would have recommended differently......i.e.:

Basically, you need to 'start over from the beginning', replace the water in your tank, and act as if you just received your rock shipment. You have to re-cure you live rock. I would suggest removing it and cooking it in a separate container (links: 1, 2, 3). Then, I would get a few pieces of cured rock from the LFS, and put that in your display (with clean water). The sandbed may be fouled depending on how much stuff was in it prior to stagnation. If there wasn't much in there, then there won't be much fouling. If you are doing a DSB, it should be fine because you want anaerobic conditions in there.

You need to keep track of the water quality in the display, remember you have started over....If you elect to keep the rock in the tank, you need to do religious water changes, loads of skimming and exhibit tons of patience.

Sorry about the confusion. And you should be cycling with some live critters, too IMO. If you get some cured live rock, and slowly ramp up the bio-load (not just dump a bunch of crap in there), the ammonia levels will not spike really high.

The ammonia spike most people see does allow copious amounts of bacteria to grow, but if those ammonia levels aren't sustained the bacteria will begin to die off due to competition, resource limitation, etc. At that moment in time, there will be no ammonia showing up in the aquarium, but once the bacterial population crashes the ammonia will spike again. This results in a Lotka-Volterra population dynamic, the classic predator-prey model (fig. 1). The only way to control this swing is by waiting - over time the two populations will level out. Barring any fluctuation in the resources (like adding or removing a bunch of fish at a time), they will remain in equilibrium.

I suggest a different approach to cycling a tank. My way is done by adding a bit of bacteria, and a bit of resources (something like a few mollies to produce ammonia) and then slowly adding to the bio-load over time. This results in a sigmoidal function (fig. 2) for bacterial growth, and doesn't have the fluctuations of the predator-prey model. Basically, the bacterial population follows the ammonia level to the equilibrium without the swings. Again, barring any fluctuation in the resources, they will remain in equilibrium.

Figure 1: Classic predator-prey model (bacteria=predator, prey=ammonia)
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Figure 2: classic sigmoidal curve
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Sorry about the confusion earlier, and I guess sorry about the tangent of population dynamics. If you have any questions, just let me know.
 
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