Bad batch of Instant Ocean? Alkalinity through the ROOF!!!
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Joking aside. I did get the salt at the same lfs as you. Though by no means is it there fault. They have handled this issue just fine. Now lets see how the responsible party deals with it.
Megalodon
Clowning Around
We're all beautiful up here
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It says so on our license plates so it must be true.
Dgen, what gallery are you looking at?
Acro, yeah it isn't their fault. They were very good with me too... more than happy to co-operate and replace my bucket. I want the responsible party AS to compensate them too because they had to replace our salt and surely must have lost out on IO salt sales.
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We're all beautiful up here
It says so on our license plates so it must be true.
Dgen, what gallery are you looking at?
Acro, yeah it isn't their fault. They were very good with me too... more than happy to co-operate and replace my bucket. I want the responsible party AS to compensate them too because they had to replace our salt and surely must have lost out on IO salt sales.
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Re: We're all beautiful up here
Re: We're all beautiful up here
Re: We're all beautiful up here
Megalodon said:It says so on our license plates so it must be true.
I din't know that, now, I understand
Dgen, what gallery are you looking at?
Top of every post is a series of icons, one is a camera. If the camera lenz is blue, like Acro's is, that means there are pictures there, click the camera to view that user's pix. If the lenz is white, as yours is, that means there are no pix there to see
Geogal17
Premium Member
i had to go buy a bag of IO today since I was out...it says its the "new and improved" formula...::crosses fingers:: So far there doesn't seem to be any problems here in CA but I'll make sure to mix it and let it sit for an hour first and test it to make sure nothing weird happens.
Thanks for all the info on this so far everyone!
Thanks for all the info on this so far everyone!
This all makes me wonder-could the results of Dr Shimek's salt mix toxicity study have been due in part to a bad batch of IO salt? He doesn't mention any cloudiness in the mixed water, but some of the tested samples have not had quite the extreme alkalinity problems seen in others and maybe these do not show the characteristic cloudiness? Of course this is only speculation and wouldn't explain the Corallife salt results, but it does point out 1 more area of variability that could confound the results. That is the test assumed some degree of consistency in the salt mixes compared to previously reported values-consistency which we now see can not be assumed. The same study repeated on another set of salt samples might well have different results. Just a speculation.
Allen
Allen
mjag
New member
Hey there
Hey there
Ok guys heres the update. I did a 100% water to my tank this weekend with new bucket of IO. I tested everything I have tests for.
Sal 1.025
temp 80.0
Alt 5
Cal 350
Ph 8.2
nitrates 0
nitrites 0
Amm 0
Late sunday I put 15 carbs and 3 turbos in the tank. So far not one death. Everthing seems to be so much better than it was before. Im just hoping the last few corals that I have will make it. I have already lost 4 due this salt.
Mjag
Hey there
Ok guys heres the update. I did a 100% water to my tank this weekend with new bucket of IO. I tested everything I have tests for.
Sal 1.025
temp 80.0
Alt 5
Cal 350
Ph 8.2
nitrates 0
nitrites 0
Amm 0
Late sunday I put 15 carbs and 3 turbos in the tank. So far not one death. Everthing seems to be so much better than it was before. Im just hoping the last few corals that I have will make it. I have already lost 4 due this salt.
Mjag
Megalodon
Clowning Around
ReeferAl said:
Wouldn't Ron Shimek have tried it out with several different samples from each respective salt brand in order to eliminate that varitable? I don't know... anybody?
If there hasn't already been, I think there should be a study about the inconsistancies between batches from each major brand.
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RGibson,
Trying to convert/pervert this into another DSB thread?
Megalodon,
An informal study of salt mix consistancy could be easily done here at RC if there was a dedicated thread where people could post data from bench tests of their batches of synthetic salt water. It wouldn't be super accurate, but it could throw up flags if several people observed funky numbers at the same time.
Trying to convert/pervert this into another DSB thread?
Megalodon,
An informal study of salt mix consistancy could be easily done here at RC if there was a dedicated thread where people could post data from bench tests of their batches of synthetic salt water. It wouldn't be super accurate, but it could throw up flags if several people observed funky numbers at the same time.
Fuzzy
New member
Hi All,
I just came across this thread but haven't had time to read it all. So hopefully I won't cause any grief.......... but here goes.
About 8 weeks ago I did my monthly 10% water change with RO/DI water and a new bag of IO salt. We had been fighting a red cyano problem for the last few months, and were finally winning. I had been very careful about water changes, increasing the flow in our tank, and replacing all the bulbs.
A week later I noticed our favorite green cap was starting to bleach out. I checked all the water parameters and everything seemed fine. Within 1 week it was completely gone, a week later, our orange cap started doing the same. So naturally I did another water change. Less than a week later the rest of our montis and digis were in the same boat........ So I checked everything again, and did another water change. Now almost all of our corals except for the softies are either dead or almost gone.
After reading parts of this thread, I have a very bad feeling that we may have a problem with the salt. I am going to take the bag of salt and a water sample to a fellow reefer who runs an aquarium maintenance company to get everything checked out. Depending on what he says I may wind up being one very unhappy camper! Needless to say I will be bringing home a box of Tropic Marin tonight.
Fuzz
I just came across this thread but haven't had time to read it all. So hopefully I won't cause any grief.......... but here goes.
About 8 weeks ago I did my monthly 10% water change with RO/DI water and a new bag of IO salt. We had been fighting a red cyano problem for the last few months, and were finally winning. I had been very careful about water changes, increasing the flow in our tank, and replacing all the bulbs.
A week later I noticed our favorite green cap was starting to bleach out. I checked all the water parameters and everything seemed fine. Within 1 week it was completely gone, a week later, our orange cap started doing the same. So naturally I did another water change. Less than a week later the rest of our montis and digis were in the same boat........ So I checked everything again, and did another water change. Now almost all of our corals except for the softies are either dead or almost gone.
After reading parts of this thread, I have a very bad feeling that we may have a problem with the salt. I am going to take the bag of salt and a water sample to a fellow reefer who runs an aquarium maintenance company to get everything checked out. Depending on what he says I may wind up being one very unhappy camper! Needless to say I will be bringing home a box of Tropic Marin tonight.
Fuzz
Fuzzy said:
Hi Fuzz,
Something in your post just stood out to me so I thought I would mention it. Cyano IME can usually be traced to high organics, which of course hard corals are very intolerant of. I'm not saying this is the cause of your problems with your hard corals, just that when I see a cyano problem in a tank that contains hard corals, is does bring up this possibility.
Steve
hammerhead
Premium Member
If it was bad salt it would kill most everything not just hard corals. You can do a check on the ALK if it's high(30) then u have a bad batch.
Fuzzy
New member
Thanks for the replies,
I just finished having a fresh batch of salt tested. On a Salifert Test with a SG of 1.023 at a temp of 81.1 *F the reading was 11.8 dKH. As I understand it, this reading isn't high enough to be instantly toxic. But that combined with our Cyano problem, and weekly water changes, could have contributed.
Also, I should have been a bit more specific, they cyano problem was almost gone. And we did lose half of our softies, the rest have shrunk but appear to be coming back. We had been doing weekly 10% RO/DI water changes all summer long and doubled the flow rate in our tank. Additionally I upgraded to a Euroreef CS6-1 skimmer earlier this spring so I'm confident the organics were under control.
Our fish and corals were thriving and growing like mad. We have not added any new fish or corals for over 4 months and all water parameters had been normal. The Only thing that has changed was the new bag of IO salt I purchased in early September.
I am not saying that the salt is the only factor in our loss. Merely that it could have been a contributing factor.
Regardless, I for one am not willing to take a chance with this brand of salt. Especially since I was told that I am not the only one in town who has had major die offs and fish losses recently.
The only common factor has been the brand of salt used.
Fuzz
I just finished having a fresh batch of salt tested. On a Salifert Test with a SG of 1.023 at a temp of 81.1 *F the reading was 11.8 dKH. As I understand it, this reading isn't high enough to be instantly toxic. But that combined with our Cyano problem, and weekly water changes, could have contributed.
Also, I should have been a bit more specific, they cyano problem was almost gone. And we did lose half of our softies, the rest have shrunk but appear to be coming back. We had been doing weekly 10% RO/DI water changes all summer long and doubled the flow rate in our tank. Additionally I upgraded to a Euroreef CS6-1 skimmer earlier this spring so I'm confident the organics were under control.
Our fish and corals were thriving and growing like mad. We have not added any new fish or corals for over 4 months and all water parameters had been normal. The Only thing that has changed was the new bag of IO salt I purchased in early September.
I am not saying that the salt is the only factor in our loss. Merely that it could have been a contributing factor.
Regardless, I for one am not willing to take a chance with this brand of salt. Especially since I was told that I am not the only one in town who has had major die offs and fish losses recently.
The only common factor has been the brand of salt used.
Fuzz
justletmein
Premium Member
11.8 dKH is perfect, I keep mine around 12dKH.
Megalodon
Clowning Around
I thought a dKH between 7 and 10 was perfect??
In anycase, I'm sure that depends on who you talk to. IMO, anything that isn't between 5 and 14 dKH should make you wonder. Why the inconsistancies? All IO salt should have the same alkalinity that falls within normal limits.
In anycase, I'm sure that depends on who you talk to. IMO, anything that isn't between 5 and 14 dKH should make you wonder. Why the inconsistancies? All IO salt should have the same alkalinity that falls within normal limits.
OrionN
Moved on
Megalodon said:
Depends on how we mix the salt, Ca and Alkalinity can change. If we mix vigorously as soon as we put the salt in the water, then all the salt will dissolve. If we do not do this but use a PH or just leave the salt for a while before we stir it up, then due to the high concentration of the Ca++ and CO3-- locally where the slat dissolve, they may precipitate and will not dissolve again. This can result in lower Ca and Alkalinity.
However, it seem that IO have a bad patch of salt recently for sure. I guess any manufacture can have this happen sometime.
Minh
