Most reef's have most pests. They're kept in check by the animal life living there.
Ban USA SPS import? Discussion
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Most reef's have most pests. They're kept in check by the animal life living there.
I was agreeing with you and I meant this towards OP! the way he said what might happen if AEFW got out leads me to believe he may not understand AEFW are almost on every reef with Acros.
Don't worry Piper, we know you're an old salt :lmao:
There are billions of reef species out there. We never even discovered AEFW on actual reefs until 2012. And for you to know every species and say there is no problem with re introducing SPS into the wild because of natural predators? We take many many precautions and somehow life/hitchikers somehow find a way. Look at how many problems the lionfish has caused. I just want to make sure some person out there reading this doesn't think it's a good idea to introduce a tank coral into the ocean. It's also illegal and for good reason.
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burton14e7
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You beat me to it, I was going to link this video as well. So much misinformation out there as to our hobby.
Moort82
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I don't think anyone was advocating someone at the hobbyist level to add life back to the sea but there shouldn't be a reason why it isn't possible for scientists to do so. It's not a matter of taking them from tank to see but rather growing them out in areas surrounding the coast taking care of natural resources. As they aren't physically connected to the ocean there is no risk of spreading anything until they are proven to be pest free.
That's a whole lot of reaching, speculation, and assumption going on there. Not to mention taking things out of context to create a 'point', which just happens to be completely to any conversation being had here.
I don't recall saying that. Re-read what I wrote. We're being very kind to you while you're making outrageously foolish comments, and improperly connecting dots. At this point, I'm convinced you're trolling us. Poorly.
wow :hmm3:
Piper27
I love bengals
I heavily suggest 'The truth behind sustainability' also. it's extremely good, informative, and shed's light on a lot of area's where all we could do is 'assume' what was going on.
Wow I can't agree with you guys more now thanks so much for the vids. Those cool villagers would be in huge trouble if USA is their main exporter and they went out of business. So my question is. How do we convince President Trump? I heard him say he wants to make USA filthy rich lol. Are any of the Coral and fish exporters worried he will tinker with import taxes/tariffs that can affect the fish and coral business?
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Rakie I'm very sorry that you feel I am a troll. I clearly had some mis information I needed to work out and this is the whole reason for forums. Learning. Chatting on opinions to gain Info and see the other side of the story. You are obviously very passionate about the hobby and imported SPS. That's something we both have in common. So again I am genuinely sorry for anything I may have said that upset you.
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No you're good, it's my fault for overreacting. I'm a huge animal lover and Naturalist -- I also happen to enjoy fishing and support hunting, which is an oxymoron to most. Because of those hobbies I run into so much misinformation it has started getting under my skin rather quickly...
I whole-heartedly apologize for being a dick. I tend to be very curt and direct, and often with a subject that is a passion of mine I'm more likely to overlook how I'm saying something. Hopefully I was at least 50% constructive/informational !!
And don't feel bad about asking questions here. It was very wrong of me to give that impression -- Questions are the foundation of knowledge.
Ban USA SPS import? Discussion
Cool. Gosh I hate that we take coral and fish from the ocean but it really is pretty much nothing in comparison to the big picture. I hated seeing how much money is sent over seas and I know USA would quickly discover the market for 100% tank raised SPS. But the money going overseas means more to them than what it would mean to us. That's my bottom line and I don't want to see any changes.
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Cool. Gosh I hate that we take coral and fish from the ocean but it really is pretty much nothing in comparison to the big picture. I hated seeing how much money is sent over seas and I know USA would quickly discover the market for 100% tank raised SPS. But the money going overseas means more to them than what it would mean to us. That's my bottom line and I don't want to see any changes.
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Well in some sense a lot of those corals are grown here. 2 guys corals is near me, they have an 8,000 gallon warehouse full of Reef Raft corals. Every single reef raft coral was a wild piece -- It's what the big companies do. Buy up a truckload of brown corals and wait for that *one* to turn into a Walt Disney.
- Otherwise, coral reefs were used to make building materials previously.
- In the south china sea China has been destroying their reef systems to build their militarized islands on the rubble, and dredge the ocean so their war ships and submarines can cross. This is aided by China telling their fisherman they can now harvest giant clams. They get these clams by attaching their anchors to the reef, and revving their boat engines to rip the reef apart and get the clams
- China has destroyed over 22 square miles of the second largest reef on the planet, with possibly the greatest biodiversity on earth. In a couple years.
I can go on and on, the more you learn the worse it gets. So to me, and some others here, buying wild/maricultured corals is actually a way to preserve what's out there currently.
Even now, scientists in Australia are working to breed and hybridize corals which are significantly more tolerant of warmer waters. This is being done by all possible means, from breeding, to hybridization, and genetic modification. Their goals are to release these corals to preserve the reef itself, and hopefully keep hybridizing with the local corals. But anyone whose taken biology knows they are trying to genetically create the fittest animal, and the world truly is survival of the fittest. While their idea may work, and save the GBR as well as preserve it's function, it will not preserve the reef as we know it.
And all of this is just a fragment of the puzzle. Hopefully it shows why I reacted so passionately (like an asshat) to what you were saying!
- Otherwise, coral reefs were used to make building materials previously.
- In the south china sea China has been destroying their reef systems to build their militarized islands on the rubble, and dredge the ocean so their war ships and submarines can cross. This is aided by China telling their fisherman they can now harvest giant clams. They get these clams by attaching their anchors to the reef, and revving their boat engines to rip the reef apart and get the clams
- China has destroyed over 22 square miles of the second largest reef on the planet, with possibly the greatest biodiversity on earth. In a couple years.
I can go on and on, the more you learn the worse it gets. So to me, and some others here, buying wild/maricultured corals is actually a way to preserve what's out there currently.
Even now, scientists in Australia are working to breed and hybridize corals which are significantly more tolerant of warmer waters. This is being done by all possible means, from breeding, to hybridization, and genetic modification. Their goals are to release these corals to preserve the reef itself, and hopefully keep hybridizing with the local corals. But anyone whose taken biology knows they are trying to genetically create the fittest animal, and the world truly is survival of the fittest. While their idea may work, and save the GBR as well as preserve it's function, it will not preserve the reef as we know it.
And all of this is just a fragment of the puzzle. Hopefully it shows why I reacted so passionately (like an asshat) to what you were saying!
reefmutt
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Good new info here..
I still wish we could trade/buy captive grown corals between countries that are not surrounded by natural reefs..
If I could buy from the US retailers, I'd have very little interest in wild corals..
And if all those crazy sought after high end corals could make it back to the coral farms, it would put more money in the hands of the farmers and less in the hands of the guys who charge $400 for 1 inch of coral.
I still wish we could trade/buy captive grown corals between countries that are not surrounded by natural reefs..
If I could buy from the US retailers, I'd have very little interest in wild corals..
And if all those crazy sought after high end corals could make it back to the coral farms, it would put more money in the hands of the farmers and less in the hands of the guys who charge $400 for 1 inch of coral.
Reef Raft Walt Disney, $350 3/4" Frag
Maricultured Reef Raft Walt Disney, $75 mini colony
Decisions decisions..
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