Bandit Angel
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Blinding Reef
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Let me be the first to mention that a 90 gallon is nowhere nearly big enough to house even one bandit much less 3. At least not long term. Hopefully they would be going in a bigger tank that you don't have listed under your sig.
Blinding Reef
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pppheeewwww...thank God..that's great news..
In that case, carry on DCS and good luck...try to find smaller ones as they seem to adapt better to captivity and prepared foods.
In that case, carry on DCS and good luck...try to find smaller ones as they seem to adapt better to captivity and prepared foods.
AuroraDrvr
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What temps are you running? Expect to have to go lower than 75ºF in order for this fish to be comfortable, and live.
philter4
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I don't think they need such a large tank either, at least not one, a trio would need a much bigger tank. I collected one in 2006 and he is in my 75 mixed reef, no hard corals but lots of soft coral and inverts. I keep mine at around 70, and he (or she probabaly at first) has grown from 3 1/2 inches to over 6 inches.
As far as diet, there are other fish in the hobby that eat sponges almost exclusivy that do fine in tanks, queen angels and french angels from here are sponge eaters where 90% of their diet in nature is sponge. The main thing to remember is the people who are successful have a few things in common, the temps are low, low to middle 70's, mixed and varied diet, and well established tanks with good water quality.
As far as diet, there are other fish in the hobby that eat sponges almost exclusivy that do fine in tanks, queen angels and french angels from here are sponge eaters where 90% of their diet in nature is sponge. The main thing to remember is the people who are successful have a few things in common, the temps are low, low to middle 70's, mixed and varied diet, and well established tanks with good water quality.
ccampbell57
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Your tank temp NEEDS to be below 75 degrees highest. The best temp I have found for my bandits is 72-73.
If you are running a 77 degree tank that gets to 80, then a bandit is not right for your tank.
If you are running a 77 degree tank that gets to 80, then a bandit is not right for your tank.
Recty
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A question I've always had on bandit angels is how do they do under intense lighting?
It seems to me if they come an average of around 150ft or deeper they wouldnt like the bright lights we use in our tanks.
Do they just adapt or do most people not run intense lighting on their tank?
I debate getting a bandit someday but I run a 250w MH directly centered in my tank and if they cant handle a nice bright light I'd rather not redo my lighting so I'll probably just pass on the bandit.
It seems to me if they come an average of around 150ft or deeper they wouldnt like the bright lights we use in our tanks.
Do they just adapt or do most people not run intense lighting on their tank?
I debate getting a bandit someday but I run a 250w MH directly centered in my tank and if they cant handle a nice bright light I'd rather not redo my lighting so I'll probably just pass on the bandit.
ccampbell57
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I run 8 T5s (80w), plus 2 110 watt VHO super actinics and the fish are fine.
Lighting for these fish is not a huge issue. If you can keep it to a more of a deeper light it would be optimal, but I know a lot of people with these fish in reefs and they do fine.
The biggest issue with these deep water fish is temperature...you need to keep your tank at 72-73...75 max
Lighting for these fish is not a huge issue. If you can keep it to a more of a deeper light it would be optimal, but I know a lot of people with these fish in reefs and they do fine.
The biggest issue with these deep water fish is temperature...you need to keep your tank at 72-73...75 max
copps
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I will reiterate the need for cool temps long term on this fish, as I've experienced them first hand for years... People always ask me questions like "Is 75 okay... or 76?"... the truth is it is a gradient... they don't do great at one temp and horrible one degree higher... If my electric bill were paid and these fish were with only other cool water fish, I'd keep them in the 60s... If you ever have a choice between keeping a fish at the higher or lower end of its natural temperature range, I would choose the lower... but with that said, I keep all of my bandits now with a mean temp in the low 70s... on 98 degree days outside the temp will go into the mid 70s, and when cold the temp will drop to the 60s, and I've seen no long lasting effects... also keep in mind that these temp requirements are sometimes only manifested over the course of YEARS... when you take advice it is always good to now how long someone has had their fish... this is also one of the reasons it took me so long to have this epiphany in dealing with deepwater and/or subtropical fish...
Lighting is not an issue with this fish... I say that having kept them in reef tanks, and having dived all eight Main Hawaiian Islands (MHI)... what keeps this fish, generally, at depth is temperature... most all of the deepwater fish in the MHI can be found shallower as you go up the chain and water temps drop... bandits are no different... the light is just as bright in the shallows at these NW locations...
With all this said, do not worry about keeping your corals in the low 70s... I was over Julian Sprung's house earlier this year (a HUGE angelfish nut himself by the way) and he runs his tanks in the low 70s in the winter and prefers it!
Lighting is not an issue with this fish... I say that having kept them in reef tanks, and having dived all eight Main Hawaiian Islands (MHI)... what keeps this fish, generally, at depth is temperature... most all of the deepwater fish in the MHI can be found shallower as you go up the chain and water temps drop... bandits are no different... the light is just as bright in the shallows at these NW locations...
With all this said, do not worry about keeping your corals in the low 70s... I was over Julian Sprung's house earlier this year (a HUGE angelfish nut himself by the way) and he runs his tanks in the low 70s in the winter and prefers it!
Thanks John. Since these fishes aren't cheap; I figure more information would be best.
I do want them in a reef setting. It is good to know that Corals will be okay in the same temp
Cool, I just went ahead and put the order in. Since they are going to be the only resident in the tank. I went with 3 female and 1 male
I was told that they are eating mysis; and they weren't needled; took about 6 hours to brough up to the surface. I guess that is a good start. Can't wait to get them in tomorrow
Thx
Chi
I do want them in a reef setting. It is good to know that Corals will be okay in the same temp
Cool, I just went ahead and put the order in. Since they are going to be the only resident in the tank. I went with 3 female and 1 male
I was told that they are eating mysis; and they weren't needled; took about 6 hours to brough up to the surface. I guess that is a good start. Can't wait to get them in tomorrow
Thx
Chi
fishkid6692
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don't meen to hijack this thread but i keep my tank at 75 and want to lower it to about 72 because all the fish that i want are deepwater but i have 2 warm water fish. will they be ok at the colder temps too if coral would be ok?
AuroraDrvr
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Depends on what species those warm-water fish are.
fishkid6692
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centropyge flavissimus x eibili. thanks and again sorry to hijack your thread!
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copps
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Thanks John. Since these fishes aren't cheap; I figure more information would be best.
I do want them in a reef setting. It is good to know that Corals will be okay in the same temp
Cool, I just went ahead and put the order in. Since they are going to be the only resident in the tank. I went with 3 female and 1 male
I was told that they are eating mysis; and they weren't needled; took about 6 hours to brough up to the surface. I guess that is a good start. Can't wait to get them in tomorrow
Thx
Chi
Hey Chi, good luck! Keep in mind that even if collected well, and eating... and kept cool... bandits are a tricky fish to get to adapt sometimes... especially four at once... assuming you are doing them all in one tank together... fish generally adapt better by themselves without having to worry about where they fall in the pecking order or who's going to woop them... as to the "3 female and 1 male"... that sounds a little suspect...
Oh and Matt, your hybrid will be fine in the low 70s... just do not move that fish until your new system is set up for MONTHS...
fishkid6692
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hey john, i used all established rock and NSW and live sand so i didn't have a cycle because i have to move it over within 2 months due to putting a new heating system is. not really my choice unfortunately. i am sure everything will go fine though. thanks.
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