E Rosewater
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I've found a lot of information about Bayer and SPS colonies, but little about zoanthids. Anyone dipping Zoas and Palys in Bayer? And if so what is your typically dosage?
Bayer and Zoanthids
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A. Grandis
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What would you use the Bayer for?
Grandis.
Grandis.
Dapg8gt
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No problems whatsoever.. I've only had issues on smooth skinned acros fwiw.. I do chalices and other lps also.. Zoas seem to not skip a beat with it.. Hydrogen peroxide works well too diluted down . Use about 5-10ml per ziplock container.. I usually just go to a thread i have saved on my computer about dosages if I forget.. .
A. Grandis
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There are some folks that have been discussing/using the use of Bayer for zoas, but i don't remember the thread anymore.
I've never used Bayer because we can solve the problems with bugs applying other solutions, like Lugols, Coral Rx, Hydrogen Peroxide, so...
Perhaps other people will post some experiences here(?).
Grandis.
I've never used Bayer because we can solve the problems with bugs applying other solutions, like Lugols, Coral Rx, Hydrogen Peroxide, so...
Perhaps other people will post some experiences here(?).
Grandis.
E Rosewater
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Excellent. I thought I had managed to take care of my Zoa eating nudibranch issue, but it looks like I may not have.
I like Bayer because it kills pests quickly.
GrimReefer555
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I dip all my zoas in bayer solution, never had an issue.
Lilmatty5dimes
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what ratio do you use? 1:5?
triggreef
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I dip every coral I get in bayer, never had an issue. Also I have 2 different smooth skin acros and those were both dipped no issue. I use the dose that the OP started doing it with because it worked so I never saw a point in increasing it. Which is 4ml in 2 cups of tank water. Also I go at least 5 minutes but no longer than 10 depending on how delicate the coral is. Used it on leathers, LPS, SPS, shrooms... everything.
Lilmatty5dimes
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thanks for the info.
A. Grandis
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How long do you leave the zoas in 4ml to 2 cups of tank water?
Isn't that too much of Bayer?
What is the product's name?
Thanks,
Grandis.
Isn't that too much of Bayer?
What is the product's name?
Thanks,
Grandis.
Dapg8gt
New member
This is the one to use.. It's really a gentle dip acros have PE soon after being added to the tank..
Most zoas will open up in it for me during the 10min I use it.. I use a turkey baster a few times during the process than have the coral go through 2 clean containers of water and into tank.. Works great..
Search the Internet for "bayer coral dip" there's a big thread on it on the other forum discussing different techniques and dosages.. I've used 10ml to about 2 cups fwiw..
Like I said only issue I ever had was a purple turaki and a yellow smooth skinned.. I since only use about 5 ml to a medium plastic container (prob less than 2 cups total). I just did it on all my coral from a local club raffle including some decent $ zoas, chalices, acros etc.. All doing great. I was hesitant at first but I don't think I will ever use anything else ever.. It not harsh on the corals at all..
A. Grandis
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The picture isn't coming up on my computer, but I did copy&paste the link and I was able to see the image. Thank you!
Let me try this way:
I use Lugol's solution for my dips and that's what I recommend to others. About 8oz of tank water or fresh water to about 3 - 5 drops of Lugol's solution for 3 - 10 minutes, depending on what needs to be treated or if it's just to prevent any unwanted creatures coming with new additions to the tank.
Perhaps Bayer is even better then Lugol's solution!?!?
I've been using Lugol's forever, and never had any problems with that.
Now, I've never had spiders, nudibranchs and those weird bugs you guys get, so maybe that's why Lugol's works so good for me.
I do see lots of worms and other small creatures like amphipods and copepods coming with the zoas when I collect them in the wild. Lugol's takes care of them really good and the zoas are open after minutes/hours. It does bother the zoas for a while, I guess.
Now, you have the zoas actually opening during the Bayer dipping?
If the Bayer doesn't bother at all I would prefer that.
It is something worthy to try then.
Thanks very much for the tips.
Hopefully more people would come and share their experiences/dosages with Bayer dips...
Grandis.
Let me try this way:
I use Lugol's solution for my dips and that's what I recommend to others. About 8oz of tank water or fresh water to about 3 - 5 drops of Lugol's solution for 3 - 10 minutes, depending on what needs to be treated or if it's just to prevent any unwanted creatures coming with new additions to the tank.
Perhaps Bayer is even better then Lugol's solution!?!?
I've been using Lugol's forever, and never had any problems with that.
Now, I've never had spiders, nudibranchs and those weird bugs you guys get, so maybe that's why Lugol's works so good for me.
I do see lots of worms and other small creatures like amphipods and copepods coming with the zoas when I collect them in the wild. Lugol's takes care of them really good and the zoas are open after minutes/hours. It does bother the zoas for a while, I guess.
Now, you have the zoas actually opening during the Bayer dipping?
If the Bayer doesn't bother at all I would prefer that.
It is something worthy to try then.
Thanks very much for the tips.
Hopefully more people would come and share their experiences/dosages with Bayer dips...
Grandis.
Dapg8gt
New member
No problem I have no idea why this Tapatalk isn't displaying pictures properly. The support for it is horrible also.. (did you just put an html in front of it?).
I've have and use lugols also. I use it when fragging but have also used it as a dip for zoas. I noticed zoas opening during the treatment of bayer when I first started using it and was amazed about that considering what it is. Don't get me wrong though it's not like they are fully opened up and swaying in the jets of water =) but I have and do notice the zoas if left alone to just soak and not handled or moved a lot will actually open up.
Fwiw I have had some interesting things in the bottom of the containers after dips. Also a tip as it is a pesticide have a dedicated set of containers and tools. I have them labeled as dip only including a baster and gloves.
At lugols price point it's a economical zoanthid dip also so kinda IMO if it works why change =). I feel the bayer is cheaper and works better than the other bottled specialty dips for a wide range of corals and thats why I use it personally. I have absolutely no hesitation on recommending this product to someone due to my experience with it..
I've have and use lugols also. I use it when fragging but have also used it as a dip for zoas. I noticed zoas opening during the treatment of bayer when I first started using it and was amazed about that considering what it is. Don't get me wrong though it's not like they are fully opened up and swaying in the jets of water =) but I have and do notice the zoas if left alone to just soak and not handled or moved a lot will actually open up.
Fwiw I have had some interesting things in the bottom of the containers after dips. Also a tip as it is a pesticide have a dedicated set of containers and tools. I have them labeled as dip only including a baster and gloves.
At lugols price point it's a economical zoanthid dip also so kinda IMO if it works why change =). I feel the bayer is cheaper and works better than the other bottled specialty dips for a wide range of corals and thats why I use it personally. I have absolutely no hesitation on recommending this product to someone due to my experience with it..
triggreef
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zoas should take the full ten no prob if they can take peroxide... I get scared with acros and take them out just after 5 min but longer might be better according to what I've been reading about red bugs and aefw. I haven't had the curse of either of those yet, knock on wood.
A. Grandis
Active member
Please keep those experiences/info coming.
This is a good thread...
Grandis.
This is a good thread...
Grandis.
NewbyReefer
Member
I use bayer with no ill affect. I do 10mill+ to 1/4 gal sw for 15 min. I only dip in bayer if there is a multitude of frags (ie. lps, zoas, sps) in a group I have perchased. If its just zoa's I do a FW dip for 5 min.
Fishypapa
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I was using other methods but now use the Bayer dip exclusively.
Our club recently had a presentation by Mike Henley, Smithsonian National Zoo, on coral pest treatments and he actually uses Bayer as well. After getting a small amount I'm convinced it works well. I've used it on softies, SPS, and LPS all with success.
I believe his ratio was 1 tbsp : 1 gallon of water (tank water, not fresh)
Interesting note: I recently got a couple SPS frags from a club member and while doing the Bayer dip, out crawls a baby brittle star, trying to get out of the water. I pulled him out and rinsed him off in clean tank water then left him resting in a separate container of tank water for an hour, then put him in the tank. So keep an eye out because you might find some good hitchhikers you'll need to get out before the chemical kills them.
Our club recently had a presentation by Mike Henley, Smithsonian National Zoo, on coral pest treatments and he actually uses Bayer as well. After getting a small amount I'm convinced it works well. I've used it on softies, SPS, and LPS all with success.
I believe his ratio was 1 tbsp : 1 gallon of water (tank water, not fresh)
Interesting note: I recently got a couple SPS frags from a club member and while doing the Bayer dip, out crawls a baby brittle star, trying to get out of the water. I pulled him out and rinsed him off in clean tank water then left him resting in a separate container of tank water for an hour, then put him in the tank. So keep an eye out because you might find some good hitchhikers you'll need to get out before the chemical kills them.
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Dendro Dude
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Does this work on palys too
