Beware the TBS whelks...

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I've got tons of whelks from TBS, I've contacted Richard to see if he can confirm that they are nass-like and not predatory. His response was "ehhh..." (It was much more educated than that, obviously, but you get the gist.) So, per his suggestion, I've been watching them.

I think I caught one trying to slay one of my trochus snails, not I'm not sure if I'm fasely accusing him or not, I watched both of them (the whelk is one of the bigger ones) and it sure looked pretty sketch to me. So I put him in the sump with the 25 hermits I relocated from the display. (Which I'm sure is equivalent to moving into "the bad part of town.")

So, just a heads up. Watch them. I've not seen any others misbehaving, but YMMV.
 
They are fore sure predatory towards snails and clams. I for sure have 3 and have moved all to sump. If you want to get yours, put a decent sized piece of a clam in before lights out, wait a few hours and grab them up. They will all line up to feed.
 

Greeeeaaat.

I literally have hundreds of these things.

I'll be picking for days. Fan freaking tastic.

What do I do with them? I hate to kill them. Not a fan of killing things. (At least, things I'm not going to eat.)

Think they will be ok in the fuge with my hermits and sea hare?

I guess tomorrow evenings tank activity is booked now. Good times. Good times. :facepalm:
 
Gotta love that TBS LR, eh?

It's a snail. I repeat, a "snail". If you see one, pull it out. If catching a snail is too difficult for someone then yes, I agree, don't buy rock from the ocean.

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I like the whole tons of life on a rock thought, but if your setting up a large tank, the last thing you want to do is break down your awesome scape to get a bunch of mantis or pistols out. I prefer the ole dry rock start personally. :thumbsup:
 
There are many times of whelks usually all predatory. Ive git a large 2 inch whelk in my sump I feed her a piece of scallop every week. She lays eggs in a huge cluster on the glass every few months but no one to fertilize. Whelks can be pretty cool you just gotta open you mind up to the idea of having a predatory species in your sump.
 
I still love the rock.

There are way more good hitchhikers than bad. I've counted 11 porcelain crabs so far. At 13 bucks a pop, that's like 150 bucks just in crabs. Not counting some of the other stuff you just can't get with dry rock. Some of the sponges, barnacles, etc. all mine are still living. Plus stuff you can't see.

It all depends on your goals I guess. It definitely has its trade offs. Ron knows, he just likes to heckle me. :D
 
Whelks can be pretty cool you just gotta open you mind up to the idea of having a predatory species in your sump.

Yes, A Whelk (singular) in your sump could be pretty cool, but how about a thousand? When it comes to breeding, they make rabbits look sterile. :eek:
 
Just curious, how long have you had the rock?
I'm still on the fence about adding some to my tank/dry rock once I get it setup. Wondering how long all the sponges/barnacles/and crabs actually survive. Originally was going to a 20-30g package for my 120g but still not sure.


I still love the rock.

There are way more good hitchhikers than bad. I've counted 11 porcelain crabs so far. At 13 bucks a pop, that's like 150 bucks just in crabs. Not counting some of the other stuff you just can't get with dry rock. Some of the sponges, barnacles, etc. all mine are still living. Plus stuff you can't see.

It all depends on your goals I guess. It definitely has its trade offs. Ron knows, he just likes to heckle me. :D
 
Just curious, how long have you had the rock?
I'm still on the fence about adding some to my tank/dry rock once I get it setup. Wondering how long all the sponges/barnacles/and crabs actually survive. Originally was going to a 20-30g package for my 120g but still not sure.

Very interested in answers to Chucko. I am about three weeks away from stocking my 150g with a mix of dry and live. Planned to get a 30g package, but removing whelks from a 150g tank would not be fun.
 
I have the whelks in my tank now, a 180 gallon. I don't see how it would be too hard to remove them from my tank, being I am a rock minimalist.. But I could see the challenge on some tanks that are packed with lots of rock..

I am going to keep my little guys, but that just means a clam is probably not in my future. I would like to get one and if I do, i'll have to remove them..

Maybe I should get a cheap clam and see if they hunt it down and kill it first..
 
I still love the rock.

There are way more good hitchhikers than bad. I've counted 11 porcelain crabs so far. At 13 bucks a pop, that's like 150 bucks just in crabs. Not counting some of the other stuff you just can't get with dry rock. Some of the sponges, barnacles, etc. all mine are still living. Plus stuff you can't see.

It all depends on your goals I guess. It definitely has its trade offs. Ron knows, he just likes to heckle me. :D

Yep there are many ways to get to the finish line. As long as your happy (and your inhabitants of course) then that's all that matters.
 
Yes, A Whelk (singular) in your sump could be pretty cool, but how about a thousand? When it comes to breeding, they make rabbits look sterile. :eek:

maybe I should have gave more info. I HAD many of them in my sump infact quite a few different sub species of whelks. which they did end up eating each other leaving me 1 left.
 
Just curious, how long have you had the rock?
I'm still on the fence about adding some to my tank/dry rock once I get it setup. Wondering how long all the sponges/barnacles/and crabs actually survive. Originally was going to a 20-30g package for my 120g but still not sure.

Almost two months now.

You really need to research how to keep the barnacles alive. While it's difficult, mostly because of feeding, it's not much harder than keeping any other specialized filter feeder alive, and it's certainly not impossible I feed them both zoo and phyto with a turkey Baster twice a day. Once in the am when I go to work, and in the PM when I get home. It's pretty easy once you get the routine down. This is why I suspect the sponges and tunicates have done so well up till now. (And why I am dealing with a little bit of hair algae.) Keep in mind that you will loose quite a bit of sponges exposing them to air when you put the rock in. But as time goes on, some of them may come back, and spores of ones that may not have been visible to you, will start to grow. If anything, using ocean rock will confirm what Ian Malcolm said in Jurassic park that "life's finds a way." It's pretty fascinating.

Once the tank gets more mature, I'm sure the feeding frequency will cease a little bit as the available food in the water column will become more dense. But as of now, I like them so much I've been working pretty hard to keep them alive.

Again, the tbs rock all depends on your goals. If you are wanting nothing but what you personally add to the tank, and want to keep hitchhikers to a minimum, then the TBS rock is not for you. Which isn't a big deal. People have been using dry rock for a couple decades now and have made some amazing looking reefs.

But if you are looking for instant bio-diversity and are ok with dealing with the downfalls of that, then by all means get the TBS rock. Yes you will have to deal with some "back of the bus" inhabitants, but it's the nature of the beast and really is the way a real ecosystem works. Some people don't like that kind of volatility in their tanks. They want to make something ornamental that more closely resembles what their idea of a reef should be, or have specific animals they want to house, and that's OK too. Just know what you are getting into.

I want to have a tridacna clam or two in the future, so the whelks are out the door. I chose to have something that more closely resembles an ecosystem, and I'm willing to deal with the consequences of that decision. Make sure that you are as well.

On a side note of being humane. I've been boiling water in a mug in the microwave and chucking the whelks I find in it to kill them quickly. Is this acceptable? Listen, I know they are just snails kids. I'm not a bleeding heart either, I hunt almost every weekend, and I kill my share of animals. But I only hunt to eat. I've never kept a deer head for my wall and I never will. What I don't eat goes to the homeless shelter. Nothing is wasted, and I pride myself in being a humane and respectful hunter. Even though they are "just snails", there is no point in being disrespectful to them.
 
Almost two months now.

You really need to research how to keep the barnacles alive. While it's difficult, mostly because of feeding, it's not much harder than keeping any other specialized filter feeder alive, and it's certainly not impossible I feed them both zoo and phyto with a turkey Baster twice a day. Once in the am when I go to work, and in the PM when I get home. It's pretty easy once you get the routine down. This is why I suspect the sponges and tunicates have done so well up till now. (And why I am dealing with a little bit of hair algae.) Keep in mind that you will loose quite a bit of sponges exposing them to air when you put the rock in. But as time goes on, some of them may come back, and spores of ones that may not have been visible to you, will start to grow. If anything, using ocean rock will confirm what Ian Malcolm said in Jurassic park that "life's finds a way." It's pretty fascinating.

Once the tank gets more mature, I'm sure the feeding frequency will cease a little bit as the available food in the water column will become more dense. But as of now, I like them so much I've been working pretty hard to keep them alive.

Again, the tbs rock all depends on your goals. If you are wanting nothing but what you personally add to the tank, and want to keep hitchhikers to a minimum, then the TBS rock is not for you. Which isn't a big deal. People have been using dry rock for a couple decades now and have made some amazing looking reefs.

But if you are looking for instant bio-diversity and are ok with dealing with the downfalls of that, then by all means get the TBS rock. Yes you will have to deal with some "back of the bus" inhabitants, but it's the nature of the beast and really is the way a real ecosystem works. Some people don't like that kind of volatility in their tanks. They want to make something ornamental that more closely resembles what their idea of a reef should be, or have specific animals they want to house, and that's OK too. Just know what you are getting into.

I want to have a tridacna clam or two in the future, so the whelks are out the door. I chose to have something that more closely resembles an ecosystem, and I'm willing to deal with the consequences of that decision. Make sure that you are as well.

On a side note of being humane. I've been boiling water in a mug in the microwave and chucking the whelks I find in it to kill them quickly. Is this acceptable? Listen, I know they are just snails kids. I'm not a bleeding heart either, I hunt almost every weekend, and I kill my share of animals. But I only hunt to eat. I've never kept a deer head for my wall and I never will. What I don't eat goes to the homeless shelter. Nothing is wasted, and I pride myself in being a humane and respectful hunter. Even though they are "just snails", there is no point in being disrespectful to them.

Crap, I have not looked at my tank late at night to see if the barnacles are still alive. I do use NSW but that doesn't mean anything really. Im gonna check tonight to see if I can see them feeding still. It was pretty cool at night seeing all these guys going crazy...

I have a maze type thing on a rock, it that a truncate or whatever they call them?
 
The few whelks that I've found have gotten the boiling water treatment as well and then are returned to the tank. The hermits get a meal and a shell out of it.

As for mantis shrimp, I love watching the it stick its head out when there is food in the tank. They really are neat critters.
 
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