Biggles Juice.....Zeospur-like effect?

[rovster]

Hey all. My tank has been in a rhythm lately and it's mostly because I'm ignoring it and doing less of everything including water changes. I still do them but they are smaller and less frequent. So decided to give "the juice" a try. I'm using KC, Lugols, and replenish every other day (I like to start slow).

Anyway within a week I noticed a significant change in some corals. A lot of them kind of got pale, particularly greens and have an almost metallic sheen. So it's not a starving lackluster pale it's a luminescent pale.

I know zerospur is supposed to have this effect on corals. I'm wondering if any of you have noticed this? My frogskin is almost a yellow green and glowing insane. I've been doing this long enough to know things like this just don't show up overnight but this seemed to and coincided with about a week of dosing "the juice".

Any thoughts?

 

[reefmutt]

When I started KC and Micro e, I noticed a similar intensification in the body of my orange passion. The green body took in a bit more of a metallic sheen.
What's in replenish that you think is helping anything?

 

[rovster]

Seems like replenish has a lot of overlap with KC but I saw it listed in place of Trace Hard as a substitute. It was easier to obtain so that's my reason for getting it. I'm doing every other day just to be safe but there has been a pretty significant change in s few corals to the point in a little concerned if I should back off. I guess it's been a while since I've had some corals absolutely glowing and seeing a few glowing next to some duds that are still recovering is also just strange to me. I'd take a pic but no way what I'm seeing would come out. Cameras don't pick up on "sheen" so I'm sure you know the look I'm talking about...,

 

[Piper27]

I don't think kc or replenish have much if any copper so it's a different effect than zeospur I think. They defiantly give a sheen to certain corals. I think they affect chlorophylls and copper affects zoox.

 

[rovster]

This is the coral in question. I manipulated the image slightly to try and bring out the glow but it doesn't show. It just looks like a pale frogskin in the pic but looks like a beacon of light from across the room LOL!

 

[Piper27]

Yea my frogskin defiantly shines using thoes elements. It didn't pale any at all though. Maybe something else happened? The replenish has a ton of crap in it though, I defiantly wouldnt use it unless I was not doing any water changes and sparingly as well.

 

[reefmutt]

What am I missing with the use of replenish?
This is from the seachem website:
Ingredients: calcium chloride, magnesium chloride, sodium chloride, potassium chloride
Is it because of the potassium that you use it?
To me it holds no benefits over regular two part dosing or a ca reactor or water changes..
Why not just dose potassium?

 

[rovster]

I'm using Brightwell Replenish its s trace and minor element product. I probably should have read label more carefully. One ingredient is lanthanum chloride. I may lay off it for a few weeks and see what happens. Just to reiterate the observations I've made are not interpreted as negative at least as I see it. Thanks for the comments.

 

[reefmutt]

I'm using Brightwell Replenish its s trace and minor element product. I probably should have read label more carefully. One ingredient is lanthanum chloride. I may lay off it for a few weeks and see what happens. Just to reiterate the observations I've made are not interpreted as negative at least as I see it. Thanks for the comments.

Oh!! My mistake!! .......D'OH!!.....
I though you meant Seachem replenish....
Brightwell's makes more sense. I'll have another look at that.

 

[Rakie]

Stop using replenish, I asked biggles about this and was advised not to bother.

You want Zeospur 2, or AF Micro E. Those cause the coral to expel their zooxanthellae which will color corals up. (Zooxanthellae are what make corals brown, and protect the corals from the insane PAR at the reefs).

Biggles told me the Zeospur 2, Micro E, or Trace Hard are the foundation of what makes "biggles juice" work, which makes sense.

 

[Piper27]

Expelling the zoox with copper sulphate will lighten and make corals pastel like and some neon but saying it colors up corals is not exactly what's happening. That depends on what you want your corals to look like. I would say it's what you use to lighten the colors in your acros. I don't believe the micro e has anywhere near the amount of copper in it that zeospur does. It doesn't do much to control zoox ime.

 

[reefmutt]

I agree. I think that if you used enough micro e to have the copper become a zoox reducer, you would have so overdosed the other elements in there that you'd have real coral health problems.
I am speculating here because I'd never test this theory..

 

[rovster]

For the record I don't want a zerospur effect but thought I observed one. Based on these posts maybe somecvalidity to it which is what I posted for. Good to know. And why no love for replenish? Is there something in it? I'm not attached to it so my feelings won't get hurt.

 

[rovster]

Stop using replenish, I asked biggles about this and was advised not to bother.

Biggles told me the Zeospur 2, Micro E, or Trace Hard are the foundation of what makes "biggles juice" work, which makes sense.

Calling Mr. Bigglesworth!

Care to comment?

As far as I know you can do some real damage with zerospur and the company itself warns to use caution and tester doses. I honestly don't know anything about AF. This is finally shaping up into something

 

[Piper27]

Actually replenish isn't what I was thinking about, I was thinking about the koralle VM product which has a ton of stuff in it. Replenish doesn't have anything in it that I would worry about from what I remember when I used it. I think I used it for its higher than average zinc content at the time.
Anyways biggles doesn't even use bigglejuice anymore, he is slowly becoming an AF lover. Give him some time and he will be full fledged AF user, energy bottles and all :strooper:
I actually switched to the comp123 and have been using the energy for a while at a decent dose. I don't think it's very potent with copper sulphate because I use it daily without much pastel look in my acros.

 

[Rakie]

Expelling the zoox with copper sulphate will lighten and make corals pastel like and some neon but saying it colors up corals is not exactly what's happening.

You are correct about the copper lightening the corals -- That's why the mix contains KoralColor and Lugols to balance the missing color. the Copper reduces the zooxs, and allows the corals other pigment to shine through (or so i've come to understand).

 

[Rakie]

Anyways biggles doesn't even use bigglejuice anymore, he is slowly becoming an AF lover.

This is also true!

So the AF 1,2,3 isn't just a standard Alk, Cal, Mag? What makes it special?

Getting detailed answers from AF staff is like pulling teeth because everything is proprietary, so if you have some info on this I'd be glad to hear it.

 

[slin1977]

Always believed Salifert Trace Hard was the official 1 part of Biggle Juice??? Am I wrong?

 

[Rakie]

Always believed Salifert Trace Hard was the official 1 part of Biggle Juice??? Am I wrong?

No, but it became hard to find in the states so Zeospur 2 and AF Micro E are replacements if you can't get Trace Hard

 

[biggles]

Calling Mr. Bigglesworth!

Care to comment?

As far as I know you can do some real damage with zerospur and the company itself warns to use caution and tester doses. I honestly don't know anything about AF. This is finally shaping up into something

Hi mate, how much of what have you been dosing daily. Trace hard etc acts as a lightening agent - copper imo. Koral Color has a definite impact on pigments because i used it for 6 weeks without the trace hard.

Cobalt chloride
Sodium feredetate
Manganese chloride
Lithium chloride

Those are the ingredients that make up Koral Color. If you overdose Koral Color i saw a horrible copper tone appearing on some greens. Anything fluoro also lost the shimmer that such pigments usually have.

I never saw anything like your pic happen but different species might show ill effects sooner than others and in different ways.

It's not the lugols, too much of that will put a dark drabness across your blues in particular - i like to try too much of everything under some sort of controlled situation just so i know what to keep an eye out for. :thumbsup:

I would stop the dosing for 3-4 days and you should see a visible change in that time if you're over doing it.