bio beads not working

ati70cutlass

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i have had my npx biobeads working for almost 2 months . yet my nitrates still are always in the red. i have to do weekly water changes just to keepthem undercontrol so my sps dont get mad. the tank is 6 months old and cosists of 40 breeder, 29gal sump , mag 5 return. 3 mj1200s on a wavemaker. 150 hqi phoenix, 2 vho, 50lbs of rock , 30 lbs of sand. skimmer is euro reef 135 and chaeto. last week they were almost undectible, last night before water change they were 80ppm. i have a blue tang, 4 clowns, 2 engineer goby, prawn goby. i feed every other day and i dont feed alot. have been using gel food and flake. i have alot of sps in the tank, i can tell really quick when it starts to rise and they get mad. what is going on
 
Biopellets and phosphates may be the least of your problems with you setup. All the fish in a 40 breeder will be more of an issue.
 
my other tank crashed and as of now they are stuck until the 180 is re cycled and ready . another few weeks. i know that is way too many fish but i have no choice. my other fish (350.00) died becuase the tank cycled on me.
 
Sounds like the biobeads are working, with all that bio load, it wouldn't hurt to maybe add another water change into your schedule
 
sounds like there working to me i would also run a carben filter with the load u have it will help a little with what u are doing
 
What kind of test kits are you using?

Right....zero last week; 80ppm this week? Does not sound correct.

Cycle your 180 with Stability and you can add fish now.

I use Seachem's Stability to provide the aerobic and anaerobic bacteria for my systems.

I use it in my QT anytime I wish to setup my QT for a fish(es) for QT purposes and never have any ammonia.

I also used it in my 300g system when I started it up and never any ammonia.

I highly recommend its use for providing the necessary bacteria for a fully functional biological filtration system.


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What are your phosphates? I believe biopellets sometimes have issues when you have high nitrate but zero phosphate - the reaction needs some phosphate to work thus gfo and biopellets can work against each other
 
They need phosphates as well. Your only supposed to run GFO if you have zero nitrates but still have phosphate.

If you don't have phosphates and still have nitrates I would feed more green foods like formula 2 flake.
 
It's fine to use them together. The bacteria will utilize some phosphate while eating nitrates, but you will run out of nitrates before phosphates. The bacteria does not need the phosphate, it's just a nice side benefit of carbon dosing.
 
I believe the truth lies in the middle. Some of the processes that bacteria use to consume organic matter can use a lot more nitrate than phosphate, but the need some phosphate or they cannot grow.

We run into problems with some of the combination export methods (like macroalgae or bacterial growth) when one of the two (N or P) becomes limiting when the other is still elevated.

So it is possible that a lot of GFO could mitigate the ability of organic carbon dosing to reduce nitrate fully, but in this case, there may well be other explanations, and in my system, I use both organic carbon dosing (vinegar) and a phosphate binder (and other methods, like growing macro algae). :)
 
as of today i still am having problems with nitrates. i can only get them down to sub 30ish ppm by doing a 20 gal water change on a 50 gal system. i feed fish 3-4 weekly and feed the coral 1x bi monthly. i still have issues that i can not understand. and as for my 180 i used dr tims one and only , what a rip. my nitrates are at 70ish and i cant seem to get them down. seems nitrate eating bacteria are on a diet at this time..... anyone have any suggestions to get it down. im making water for a 30 gallon water change at the moment.
 
If you are confident in the measurement and do not want to try more pellets, maybe try liquid organic carbon dosing, like vinegar or vodka. :)
 
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