Bio pellets Problems

MBryant

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Has anyone had any problems with these. I'm starting to think these are killing my soft corals though my sps are looking great. My water is fine I've dipped and found nothing. Also I have no crabs or fish eating them. Like I said. Nothing has changed like my lighting or flow and I do 15% water changes every week. So I think it might be the NP pellets or I might have some chemical warfare going on.
 
From my experience. Proceed with caution and education.

My pellet tests completely melted my neon green nepthea, but didn't bother my toadstool. I had alot of STN on the acro's before I pulled the pellets off line. The tiny patch of hair algae I had, didn't go away. Instead, it turned into a slightly larger patch. The hemostat's worked better at removing the algae than the pellets.:uzi: I also had alot of problems with keeping my alkalinity up while on the pellets. This doesn't happen to everyone, not sure why.
 
I bought pellets to use on my 90g, but haven't hooked up the reactor yet. Can I ask you guys what brand pellets you were using? Any opinions on maybe having the pellets set up before adding coral? I don't have any corals yet, so maybe I can do a test tank. :-D
 
I bought pellets to use on my 90g, but haven't hooked up the reactor yet. Can I ask you guys what brand pellets you were using? Any opinions on maybe having the pellets set up before adding coral? I don't have any corals yet, so maybe I can do a test tank. :-D


I was running the Vertex pellets.
 
I have had a lot of people with problems with these! I do not know a lot about them but is seems that a lot of the people that are using them are having the same problems with there tanks ? Just my 2 pennys worth.
 
I have been using the Vertex pellets on my 75 gal for 4 months now.
before the pellets I was using phosguard and having to change it out quite often,and still had algae problems.
with the pellets I have noticed a little receding of my star polyps but every thing else is doing fine, leathers,plate,frog, I really don't do sps
 
I have been running vertex pellets for about 3 months. SPS are growing like mad! I dont have to clean the glass but about every 2-3 days. It hasn't helped with hair algea like some have claimed but I have had no issues. I am running 500ml in a reef octo bp140 reactor which is way less than the recomended amount of pellets. I also am using zeobak with it to kick it off. My skimmer pulls out the most nasty thick mud now, which it skimmed well before but now its mud. I would say if you plan on using them READ everything you can and start out out with about a third of the recomended dose and add slowly over several months. I still have HA but film algea is low and NO3 is 0. Good luck!
 
Yea I lost all my zoas. But the sps are doing great. So weird. But the water Parms are still good. I started to slowly pull them off yesterday
 
No way, the zoa garden

I have 2 or 3 larger colonies I can get you frags from when you want zoas again.
 
Yea I lost all my zoas. But the sps are doing great. So weird. But the water Parms are still good. I started to slowly pull them off yesterday

I had some zoa's that started to melt as well. Lost a few. Looks like my stuff is coming back since taking the pellets off line.
 
I am having the opposite effect. My zoas and all my softies are doing great but I have lost all of my birdsnest and monti.
 
corals doing super

corals doing super

all my corals are doing super with the exception of devils hand that is sulking a bit since pellets online...he is ok but he is not the same colour..he is grey sulking colour instead of the flesh normal colour....

2 weeks on 1000 ml NP pellets in reactor.....300 gallon mixed reef..result..all fine so far.


Tim
 
I am including biopellets in a talk im giving in Dallas next week at DMAS..
In doing so I have spent a lot of time researching them and recording what people have observed.

It appears that in most cases they do such a great job of depleting the available nutrients that corals simply starve and die.

They also deplete phosphate so well that it is likley zoaxanthellae begin to die inside coral tissue, this is what causes the death of Acropora and other stoney corals. Its likely that many other trace elements are also absorbed into the biomass they create.

To date, no one really knows which bacteria is (are) growing on them and if that a) varies between tanks, b) is actually beneficial to the tank and c) producing toxic by products.

The best results seem to be when using them sub-optimally. By that I mean in a low enough amount that they merely reduce, but not deplete the available nutrients.

One can argue that this is the same as vodka dosing a tank and that the same results should be observed, but the same results are not seen. It is likely due to selective growth of a single or a few strains of bacteria, the fact that these are concentrated in a single space and the overall effect they are having on the microbial ecology of the tank. A large enough biomass of bacteria can rap[idly deplete the tank of nutrients required for many processes.

All in all, right now- i would go gently when thinking of using biopellets and only use them if you have a problem that can not be solved by regular tank husbandry and maintenance. If a tank is designed and running well, you should not need to carbon dose, or run biopellets. Some tanks inevitably have high nurtrients- Romans NPS tank is a good example, he HAS to feed a massive amount and needs a great nutrient export system and biopellets deal well with this. In general a regular reef tank should be able to proces its own nutrients.

anyways--- those are my thoughts based on a lot of reading and chats with a bunch of the people in the hobby.

Regards,

Paul.
 
makes sense

makes sense

Paul, I think what you have said is *bang on* and makes alot of sense...

In my particular case I feed my 35 fish plus inverts and corals quite a bit
and I feel I need the extra wammy on the nutrient export....However, I agree...because this is the first reef I have ever felt that I have needed
that out of many I have set up in over 21 years......and it is because
it is big and I feed quite a bit....

Most regular reefs should not need beads...

Regardless I feel I am being cautious by only using 1000ml in a 300 gallon system... Do you feel that is conservative enough Paul for example???


Thanks for your comment on that and thanks for your input on this subject...again..>I think you are bang on.


Tim
 
Tim, I have no idea, but I would suggest that if you can read a low level of nitrate and phosphate- and I mean low, you are ok.

P.
 
Matt, I have some zoas you are welcome to but you'll have to come frag them because I havent gotten that process down yet. I seem to shred them every time I try.
 
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