black and orange clowns

[jahel318]

What kind of clown would you get by mixing and orange ocellaris with a black ocellaris?

 

[_shorty_]

I'm hoping to find out in a few weeks... ??But I think that's how you get 'onyx' colored clowns sometimes?? I'll be collecting my first fry to attempt to raise within 7 days..

 

[jahel318]

Awesome! keep me posted! I have an orange clown and was thinking of buying a black one today while it's on sale for $35 @ Petco

 

[_shorty_]

Good price for a black and white IME. I like the b&ws personally... Will post results with my experience. I've been reading/researching a lot, and I think i'm finally ready to try to raise a batch. I'm pretty excited about it.

 

[shifty51008]

You will most likely get the clowns sanjay breeds, cant think of the name off hand but they wont be onyx clowns

 

[shifty51008]

Black photons i beleive are the name

 

[_shorty_]

Black photons i beleive are the name

had to look that one up. So, what are onyx spawned from? I thought I read somewhere that the parents of the snowflake onyx were black and white with a premium snowflake. But it's been a while, and I was probably skimming...

 

[shifty51008]

Onyx clowns are natural colors not from mixed breeding

 

[_shorty_]

So I did a little more digging. The one solid orange (non-onyx) and white mated with black and white I found - gave 'chocolate' colored clowns. He said years trying, they never produced a solid black and white. Sanjay's 'photon' clowns, are a black and white paired with an orange onyx clown. Wondering now if that 'onyx' gene somehow allows for that black to bleed through more and transition differently. Pretty interesting though! My orange female is an onyx color pattern, so we'll see what they produce. The male used to have an orange nose, but has since turned solid black and white.

** added: Okay... I'm confused. is 'Onyx' only percula clowns? I thought it was the darker upper half transitioning down to orange belly.

 

[shifty51008]

ok here is the correct fish lol. sorry, got them mixed up, to many diffrent names anymore.

Mocha Clownfish is a hatchery-bred cross between two color varieties of the common ocellaris clown – the black and white ocellaris and the orange and white ocellaris

yes, onyx is only percula it is the black that connects all the white stripes no orange inbetween, orange is usually on the belly, fins and head.

 

[D-Nak]

I posted this earlier today, but I'll post again here:

The term Onyx Percula was originated by Bill Addison at C-Quest. Only those fish with a lineage of the original C-Quest clowns can be called Onyx Perculas.

However, these days the term "onyx" commonly refers to the melanistic form of perculas where the body contains a lot of black, specifically filling in the body between the first and second stripe, as well as the second and third stripe. Some people also believe that in order to qualify as "onyx" the fish must also have a black dorsal, but this is up for debate.

There are some descendants of the original Onyx Clowns that are still called Onyx -- Rod's Onyx and Booyahs come to mind.

Furthermore, there have been wild onyx clowns, as well as other onyx clowns bred from these wild varieties that are called onyx clowns (notice I don't capitalize it).

Lately I've also seen the distinction of "super onyx" and "premium onyx" where the tail is completely black. I personally like the balance of orange and black on the original Onyx, where the head and tail still have a decent amount of orange. In other words, if this were a competition and were a judge, I personally would downgrade a clown that had a black tail since I believe an Onyx Percula should have an orange tail. Too much black and they start looking like Darwins. But again, that's just my personal opinion. Since we don't have an actual set of "laws" to follow, as we do with koi for example, this will continually be up for debate -- and the range of prices will reflect personal opinion on worth.

 

[D-Nak]

I'm hoping to find out in a few weeks... ??But I think that's how you get 'onyx' colored clowns sometimes?? I'll be collecting my first fry to attempt to raise within 7 days..

If I were you, I'd wait for the first few clutches to pass. It'll give the male and female the opportunity to get "good" at raising the eggs.

 

[GreshamH]

So I did a little more digging. The one solid orange (non-onyx) and white mated with black and white I found - gave 'chocolate' colored clowns. He said years trying, they never produced a solid black and white. Sanjay's 'photon' clowns, are a black and white paired with an orange onyx clown. Wondering now if that 'onyx' gene somehow allows for that black to bleed through more and transition differently. Pretty interesting though! My orange female is an onyx color pattern, so we'll see what they produce. The male used to have an orange nose, but has since turned solid black and white.

** added: Okay... I'm confused. is 'Onyx' only percula clowns? I thought it was the darker upper half transitioning down to orange belly.

Sanjay's Photons are a cross between Onyx Percula Clownfish with a Black and White Ocellaris Clownfish. Its a hybrid.

Yes, Onyx is a A. percula.

 

[GreshamH]

If I were you, I'd wait for the first few clutches to pass. It'll give the male and female the opportunity to get "good" at raising the eggs.

good advice. Get the rest of the process down, like keeping your rotifer cultures stable.

 

[_shorty_]

If I were you, I'd wait for the first few clutches to pass. It'll give the male and female the opportunity to get "good" at raising the eggs.

Yes, I've been patient in this process (patient for me anyways). This is, I believe, the 4th batch that I'm aware of that I'm going to finally collect to raise. I let the last one pass for that reason. But I'm finally ready and looking forward to it. Didn't mean to high jack the thread though... . I'll prob post a thread with my progress and results, good or bad.

I posted this earlier today, but I'll post again here:

Ya, my bad.. I posted question in two places. I figured I'd get the quicker reply in the other section after I posted this one first. Thanks again for the explanation(s). I do appreciate it.

Thanks all!

 

[reefstew]

ok here is the correct fish lol. sorry, got them mixed up, to many diffrent names anymore.

Mocha Clownfish is a hatchery-bred cross between two color varieties of the common ocellaris clown "“ the black and white ocellaris and the orange and white ocellaris

yes, onyx is only percula it is the black that connects all the white stripes no orange inbetween, orange is usually on the belly, fins and head.

Mocha is correct. And some will look like black & white with orange lips. Others will look like a very dark Ocellaris.