Blackthunda77's 80 Gal to 195 Gal upgrade!

[AquamanE]

I have all my pipes from the sump exiting BENEATH the water line. Not sure if you have yours set that way but i have no pipes above the waterline. Eliminates all splashing from return lines. Also, are you running herbie? I dont remember. In any event, with herbie and its full siphon, there essentially should not be any air bubbles in the drain line so there are no bubble going into the sump eliminating the bubble sound as well.

Yes overflow lines are underwater, but i do get a lot of bubbles and splash from overflow line. This snapper has a lot of flow. I am running what i think is a Herbie. i have a gate valve that i can use to control overflow, ill play with that and see.

Do you have pick of you Herbie overflow??

Also i see you added what appears to be a T to the return right of pump. what is that for?

Looking very good BTW.

 

[blackthunda77]

Good to hear. What's the pipe sticking out to the right of the skimmer for?

Marvin, not sure what pipe your referring to. Can you clarify?

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[blackthunda77]

Yes overflow lines are underwater, but i do get a lot of bubbles and splash from overflow line. This snapper has a lot of flow. I am running what i think is a Herbie. i have a gate valve that i can use to control overflow, ill play with that and see.

Do you have pick of you Herbie overflow??

Also i see you added what appears to be a T to the return right of pump. what is that for?

Looking very good BTW.

Eddie,

I will try to get you a pic of the pipes tomorrow. Essentially it's a main pipe that is always in a full siphon, about 3 or so inches below the water. Then the emergency pipe which is higher and stays dry or with only a slight trickle. If your running the herbie correctly there really should not be any air bubbles coming down the drain into the sump. Sounds like your getting air sucked into the main drain. You might have to adjust the valve.

The T closest to the return pipe will have the manifold for my reactors attached to it. Right now I have a temp pipe capped off just so I can have the pump running. Still working on the manifold.

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[MWalton91]

Amazing! What software are you using to design with?

 

[Bandomo]

John,
I'm confused, are you running 2 drains as the syphon and 2 as the emergency?
Why don't I see 2 ball valves?

 

[blackthunda77]

Amazing! What software are you using to design with?

Google sketchup.

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[blackthunda77]

John,
I'm confused, are you running 2 drains as the syphon and 2 as the emergency?
Why don't I see 2 ball valves?

Yes, the tank was a dual corner overflow. So essentially I have 2 herbie overflows on each corner. You cant really see the valves for the overflows because they are in the top corners of the stand. On the left the small ball valve is the flow control for the fuge area. On the right the 2 larger valves are the valves for directing the flow to the seconday drain that will only be activated when using a filter sock to help polish the water.

I'll take a better picture of under the stand Arab angle where you can see the valves for the overflows.

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[blackthunda77]

Eddie, at the time when i did the rendering i was not aware the drains were so small so i was planning on just using 1 drain and 1 return in each overflow. However now i decided against that and essentially did 2 herbie style overflows. The returns are now coming up and over the back of the tank. I didnt want to do it at first because i didnt want to ruin the aesthetics of the tank being that it might be an open top tank. But the 2 3/4" returns arent too obtrusive.

Here is a pic

Also here is a pic of the plumbing almost complete. You can see how the return pump is plumbed basically. Only difference will be that the pipe from the pump to the first elbow will be replaced with another union. And yes, a 1 1/4" threaded adapter fit perfectly. I decided to go adapter to union instead of union to adapter because it allowed me to buy a 1" union instead of a 1 1/4" union. taking up less space and costing less

If you look at this pic you can just barely see the drain valve handle ABOVE the smaller standard ball valve. It's a true union valve and there's another on the other side as well.

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[nivram]

Marvin, not sure what pipe your referring to. Can you clarify?

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The far right pipe closest to the front of tank. It looks like a T that attaches to one of the drains.

 

[blackthunda77]

The far right pipe closest to the front of tank. It looks like a T that attaches to one of the drains.

That T is where I will add a filter sock occasionally. I will close the main drain valve which will divert the water from draining straight down and it will divert it to that T.

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[blackthunda77]

Tapatalk of course doesnt work as usual so im reposting my response...

Eddie, at the time when i did the rendering i was not aware the drains were so small so i was planning on just using 1 drain and 1 return in each overflow. However now i decided against that and essentially did 2 herbie style overflows. The returns are now coming up and over the back of the tank. I didnt want to do it at first because i didnt want to ruin the aesthetics of the tank being that it might be an open top tank. But the 2 3/4" returns arent too obtrusive.

Here is a pic

Also here is a pic of the plumbing almost complete. You can see how the return pump is plumbed basically. Only difference will be that the pipe from the pump to the first elbow will be replaced with another union. And yes, a 1 1/4" threaded adapter fit perfectly. I decided to go adapter to union instead of union to adapter because it allowed me to buy a 1" union instead of a 1 1/4" union. taking up less space and costing less

If you look at this pic you can just barely see the drain valve handle ABOVE the smaller standard ball valve. It's a true union valve and there's another on the other side as well.

 

[Biggar]

John, You were able to fine tune a Herbie with a true union?


This is example of what John created. On each overflow



Eddie- Your air bubbles is because your full syphon is pulling too much water down, sucking in air. One way to solve this is to cut your drain pipe in your overflow down about 12 inches from your water line up top, then dial in the speed so the water stays higher than the drain opening in the overflow.
Also, Matt has informed me that you can now buy a piece that goes onto your drain pipe that will eliminate air even when gate valve is open all the way. Yet to see this though

 

[blackthunda77]

John, You were able to fine tune a Herbie with a true union?


This is example of what John created. On each overflow



Eddie- Your air bubbles is because your full syphon is pulling too much water down, sucking in air. One way to solve this is to cut your drain pipe in your overflow down about 12 inches from your water line up top, then dial in the speed so the water stays higher than the drain opening in the overflow.
Also, Matt has informed me that you can now buy a piece that goes onto your drain pipe that will eliminate air even when gate valve is open all the way. Yet to see this though

Yes, i have this...

Why do you ask? Is that not sufficient? Also i dont have the downturned pipe on the emergency that you have on that pic? Does that help with the sound of the trickling water going down the emergency?

You previously mentioned that add on piece that matt mentioned on my other thread. Any more info on that? Im interested in seeing what it is or how it works.

 

[nivram]

Yes, i have this...

Why do you ask? Is that not sufficient? Also i dont have the downturned pipe on the emergency that you have on that pic? Does that help with the sound of the trickling water going down the emergency?

You previously mentioned that add on piece that matt mentioned on my other thread. Any more info on that? Im interested in seeing what it is or how it works.

The piece Matt mentioned was used on Adams tank. It was something Marcus (Linesider) highly recommended.
http://maggiemuffler.com/

 

[blackthunda77]

The piece Matt mentioned was used on Adams tank. It was something Marcus (Linesider) highly recommended.
http://maggiemuffler.com/

Correct me if im wrong, but i believe the maggie mufler is more for standard straight pipe set ups where i you are not using a full siphon. I believe the holes on the top of the cap are for air.

 

[blackthunda77]

Unless you put the muffler on the Emergency pipe for those that let a slight amount of water down the E drain. that would be an idea.

 

[Biggar]

Yes, i have this...

Why do you ask? Is that not sufficient? Also i dont have the downturned pipe on the emergency that you have on that pic? Does that help with the sound of the trickling water going down the emergency?

You previously mentioned that add on piece that matt mentioned on my other thread. Any more info on that? Im interested in seeing what it is or how it works.

I find one can fine tune a gate valve much easier than ball vale. Sometimes when adjusting my herbie, I turn the gate valve just a tad, letting a very small amount more water through. Then again, once its tuned correctly, you will not need to mess with it much.

Since I run a manifold and several reactors off my return pump. When things like the carbon reactor get clogged after a month, more water makes it to the tank. Thats when I adjust the herbies just a tad. Looks like your flow should be rather constant.

Thanks for pointing out adam's muffler Marvin. Forget the name

 

[blackthunda77]

dbl post...

 

[blackthunda77]

Sand has been added and started a PVC structure for the rock work. Spent a good couple hours rinsing the sand, the rocks and re shaping some of the rocks.

 

[blackthunda77]

Worked on the aquascaping this weekend. Almost done, but will still be placing smaller filler rocks to give the structures a more cohesive look. Theres about 100lbs of rock in there at the moment. The peak at the top of the right bommie will be housing my Heteractis Magnifica.

And this is my Heteractis Mag.

Tank is still clearing up at the moment but should be good to go in another day or so clarity wise. At the moment its cycling. Dumped in some chucnks of krill to get the cycle going.