Bleached mag rehab

[davocean]

OK, it is w/ a little hesitation that I post pics of a bleached mag I just purchased(mainly because I like most of us encourage starting w/ a healthy nem of whatever species)
I'm by far not new to sea anemone's, but this is my first mag.
I have been searching high and low for some time for a natural host for my picasso's.
After making some calls I finally found one about 45 min away, but they did tell me it was bleached, but there was some color, and I decided to go for it.
So anyway, I'm going to document at least two things here(hopefully) one the rehab of my mag, and two, my picasso's have once again lost some black color from their time in an unnatural host, and I have seen and both documented this when they were in BTA's a while back, color came back, and I'm hoping that also happens again here now that they are in a natural host once again.
So this is what I snapped off tonight, my picasso's happily in their new mag almost immediately(They shunned a hadonni for 4 months)
Feel free to comment, especially if you have any experience w/ mags.
I have brought other nems back to health before, first time w/ this species.

 

[worm5406]

Very nice specimen. I look forward to following this and seeing how it does.

I have a ritteri that is over 18" across in my 180DT. It is hosted by three OC's, one female and two males, a third males visits from the other side of the tank every now and then.

 

[davocean]

Thanks, it's shape is good, it anchored in like two minutes of pumps off right where I placed it, fairly heavy flow, high up on a rock pillar.
I have one bank of T5's off right now(4 side of 6, so 2 T5's on) and I have two panorama pro LED strips on.
Low light during an extended acclimation period, watching for a little build up in zooxanthelle before I click all lights.
Nearly daily feedings of mysis.
My clowns are in heaven, love to see them like this!
They have been in frog or hammer for a while now, just not nearly the same.

 

[OrionN]

Regarding been bleached, that Magnifica should have no problem. I can already see some Zooxanthallae in the tips of some tentacles. Give him good condition and he should regain his zooxanthallae within 2 weeks.
Very nice and appears healthy in that pictures.
Sometime my Onyx Percula lost coor in my Magnifica. Just for a kicker, the same Magnifican and the same Onyx did not loose color at some other time after shuffling around. I got many anemones and many clowns. Next time I will document this with picture. I did not think of documenting this at the time and thus did not have all the pictures I needed.

 

[davocean]

Thanks Minh, and yes I can see signs of zooxanthallae better in person, being high up and directly under lights makes it look a little whiter/bleached than it actually is, and I am pretty confident it will make a full recovery.
As to my clowns gaining and losing black color, that is something I really have been wanting to document more and see others that have had similar experience, as well as put it out there for others.
I had read before about percs losing black color after being given a BTA as a host, never thought that could really be true, but it did exactly that when I went w/ BTA's.
Upon removal of BTA's and no host nem at all, the black came back.
Then placed in an LTA, the black faded once more.
Then I placed them in a Malu, and black came back(even though Malu is not a natural host)
That Malu died not long after a accidental silverside feeding(part of a seafood mix I had purchased, did not know it had silverside pieces until too late)
No host nem for a while and color has faded once more.
I'll be just as curious to see what happens to their color in this new mag as I am to see the new mags color come out.
In person the tentacles have a rosy beige color, and bright green tips, can't wait to those colors evolve!

 

[sh0ck]

Good luck with that nice nem.
I remember theory that when they are so much bleached, there should be none infection when anemone made it to that point otherwise it would die long time ago.
Lets hope there is nothing what could jump on it from haddoni.

 

[worm5406]

I am pretty sure you have seen my time lapse camera video's.

That would show a good portion of reaction and regain of color. I have mine set to every 5 seconds, but a 30-90 second step would show a lot more over a longer range, thus producing a shorter video.

 

[davocean]

The hadonni has been in my tank for 4 months and came from another reefer, so I'm not concerned w/ much other than the possibility of allelopathy.
I'm in the process of rehoming that hadonni.

 

[davocean]

I am pretty sure you have seen my time lapse camera video's.

That would show a good portion of reaction and regain of color. I have mine set to every 5 seconds, but a 30-90 second step would show a lot more over a longer range, thus producing a shorter video.

I have not seen that just yet but I'll check it.
I have glanced at your gig thread, but I've kind of buried myself in mag info more lately and trying to focus on that, though I know the bleach recovery is similar process.
With all I have going on right now I don't think I will be setting up anything like that, though I agree it would be nice.

 

[worm5406]

HAHAHA....

All it is, is a 10 gal tank, heater, power head, and a light.

I have a camcorder that does time-lapse.

 

[garygb]

I think t-5 is an excellent light for mags. I have mine under a six bulb ATI for over a year and before that I had them under a Tek, 6 bulb. With T-5s, I think you will see the zooxanthellae come back quickly. Feeding regularly like you are will expedite that process. I use ATI Blueplus and GE Daylights, which give out lots of PAR.

You mentioned the haddoni. Until you re-home it, I suggest you run activated carbon, if you aren't already. I have heard a lot of stories of allelopathy between haddoni and various species, including magnifica.

 

[davocean]

HAHAHA....

All it is, is a 10 gal tank, heater, power head, and a light.

I have a camcorder that does time-lapse.

Lol, I don't even have a camcorder right now.
Between the GF, running my construction business, and Mom dealing w/ cancer I'm pretty strapped for free time, so I haven't been reading on sites much or taking on many projects above what I'm already doing here.
On a side note, came home from GF's this am, hadonni had released and stuck in one of my vorts...neat.
It had been in the same spot for 4 months, so I do think it is a possibility there may have been allelopathy that may have sparked it's move.
I tried my best to free it, but it was wrapped and jacked up.
On top of that, I'm once again feeling pretty nausious and headachy.
I have had many sea anemones over my past 28 years in this hobby, and this is the first time I have had this type of reaction, as well as my only time keeping a hadonni, which I think is probably going to be my last.
Fortunately my mag still looks good, seems like more beige color coming in, slowly, but it is getting darker rather than lighter, so that is good.
My clowns are loving it and hardly venture out of it.
Carbon carbon carbon today! (and possibly vinegar on the arm and maybe even some benedryhl)

 

[nemmy]

Hadonni mess me up good if they get a hold of me. Nothing I've had sting like they do. I never feel it until after the fact though.

 

[davocean]

Yeah it's really weird, I can't count how many nems I have handled, but this hadonni is very different.
No signs of stings on skin that I can see, but nausea and headache w/in minutes of handling it.
It's also interesting to me that my clowns have accepted every nem I have placed over the last 5 years, natural host or otherwise, yet in 4 months they would not go to it, even w/ it just inches away from their frogspawn, and the first time I handled this hadonni in tank, they attacked the nem, not my hand.

 

[nemmy]

They know its a cold blooded killer. They got yo backback

Here's my hand destroyer. Left a nice set of welts/blisters on my hand.

 

[worm5406]

They can sense/feel the chemical reaction of the firing of the tentacles.

Gloves, my friend with an anemone.

 

[nemmy]

They can sense/feel the chemical reaction of the firing of the tentacles.

Gloves, my friend with an anemone.

After handling so many anemones I thought no big deal. Didn't know how much of a punch hadonni can pack. If I ever have to grab him again I will for sure have gloves on.

 

[worm5406]

Ohhh yes...

I forgot a week or so after I put in mine. Was doing some maintenance in middle of tank... I was like WOW... what was that...

It felt like something was crawling on my arm, like a copepod. LOL

Then over the last few weeks I setup my 120, to be piped into the same sump as the 180... Doing some aquascaping before the gig gets out of QT... Did it again.. LOL

No welts. Just a bit of a itching. I quickly washed them off, this time making sure I did not wipe them off with one of my clean drip rags in fish room. (I have about 50 clean white rags that I use and put in a hamper, that way I know exactly that no grease or anything is bad around the tank.

 

[davocean]

I must be somewhat sensitive to a hadonni's sting, so signs on skin, just the nausea and headache w/in minutes after.
Like Nemmy I have handled countless nems bare handed w/out issues
I have no doubt my clowns sensed what was happening when they started biting at it, head butting and tail whipping in a frenzy when I handled it the first time, they totally saw it as an enemy.
4 months they never touched it,(before that little frenzy) and I intro my mag and they immediately went straight in and haven't left it.
That tells me something right there.

 

[sh0ck]

When ritteri is entering battlefield a lot of nems get excited.
Now u mentioned haddoni, my LTA left its spot instantly too.
Just few LTA tentacles made it to powerhead(just 1 little spot open in my stocking cover ) => all apogon parvelus died instantly etc etc.
Happy stories about rittery introduction.