Blue Hippo and Emperor Angel with Ich

[tassod]

As the title states, i have a blue hippo tang and an Emperor Angel in my QT and just noticed that they have broken out in ICH. My plan was to place them in QT and observe and act accordingly. Both fish are pretty big, i'd say at least 5"-6" each one.

The blue hippo i got about 2 weeks ago and the Emperor i got last Sunday. The Hippo was fine up until i saw him yesterday just covered in ich but he still eats veraciously. The emperor has not been eating that great since i got him and i am supspecting that he brought on the outbreak. I also noticed yesterday the ich on the emperor mostly on his face and they are both flashing and scratching.

I have cupramine and Formalin on hand but i dont have a copper test kit. I also have CP from that ebay source. I figured it would be a safer bet to add the CP and see how it goes. So i added yesterday about 1.5 teaspons to a 75g tank. That was last night. They are mostly the same this morning, hippo still eating...emperor..not really. How long would it take to know if the ebay CP is really being effective?

 

[ThRoewer]

I would never use copper without a test kit - it's just to dangerous to either under or overdose.
Copper is in general not good for fish and especially not for those neo eating well.
The safest treatment IMHO is a combination of TTM and some degree of hyposalinity. The latter for stress reduction (and it saves you salt too).

 

[3FordFamily]

I have always had trouble with angelfish and copper even cupramine. Their eyes tend to glaze over, they stop eating, or drop dead randomly after losing color.

I have been having luck with Hydrogen Peroxide. 1ML per 10Gal tank volume. Added daily. After 3 days to one week it seems to help.

Little data exists to show the effectivenes of this at keeping the parasite at bay (perhaps the fish builds an immunity according to many studies after being exposed to paraistes like ich and velvet and then overcoming them).

I have not tried Hypo on angels personally, nor have I tried the TTM. I have used copper several times with success---- except it kills 3/4 angels I have used it with. I had an established Blueface angel that was hardy and large and ate well that died within a week of being treated with copper. I would have been better off letting him recover with good water perams, quality food, and Hydrogen Peroxide (3%)

That being said, I also don't find angels (particularly large angels or tough to keep angels such as potters angels) very suitable to QT unless you have a LARGE QT with LOTS of hiding places. Natural hiding places. Adding rocks to a QT causes issues for proper treatment, as well.

I have skipped QT for years with little issues, but that's just me.

Hippo tangs on the other hand handle copper well, and will often fight ich off on their own in my experience. 1/3 of them will not and are weak. I have always had much better luck with smaller hippo tangs than with larger.

Just my experiences.

 

[tassod]

Let's say I do TTM on these 2 fish, when the process is over where could i put them for further observation? The 75g QT that they are in now? Won't the parasite still be there and therefore re-infect them?

 

[3FordFamily]

Yeah. It would. That's why I use none of those methods. It takes so long for this parasite to truly go away (and often people think it's gone but in reality it's just not showing it's ugly face because everything is honky dory)

 

[snorvich]

Let's say I do TTM on these 2 fish, when the process is over where could i put them for further observation? The 75g QT that they are in now? Won't the parasite still be there and therefore re-infect them?

For absolute surety of eradication, the display tank would need to be fallow for 72 days.

 

[snorvich]

I would never use copper without a test kit - it's just to dangerous to either under or overdose.
Copper is in general not good for fish and especially not for those neo eating well.
The safest treatment IMHO is a combination of TTM and some degree of hyposalinity. The latter for stress reduction (and it saves you salt too).

Excellent advice.

 

[tassod]

Can someone address my original question on the CP? The emperor looks better tonight and is eating better also. I'm also feeding live black worms which are an excellent source of protein. Hippo loves them, emperor is getting used to it

 

[billsreef]

Providing the Chlorquine is good, you should see improvement within a week...however, you still need to maintain treatment for 4 weeks to be sure it's completely knocked out.

 

[jbvdhp]

Blue Hippo and Emperor Angel with Ich

As the title states, i have a blue hippo tang and an Emperor Angel in my QT and just noticed that they have broken out in ICH. My plan was to place them in QT and observe and act accordingly. Both fish are pretty big, i'd say at least 5"-6" each one.



The blue hippo i got about 2 weeks ago and the Emperor i got last Sunday. The Hippo was fine up until i saw him yesterday just covered in ich but he still eats veraciously. The emperor has not been eating that great since i got him and i am supspecting that he brought on the outbreak. I also noticed yesterday the ich on the emperor mostly on his face and they are both flashing and scratching.



I have cupramine and Formalin on hand but i dont have a copper test kit. I also have CP from that ebay source. I figured it would be a safer bet to add the CP and see how it goes. So i added yesterday about 1.5 teaspons to a 75g tank. That was last night. They are mostly the same this morning, hippo still eating...emperor..not really. How long would it take to know if the ebay CP is really being effective?

I hope you have better luck with the cp from the seller than I did. His cp, which he confirmed to be from Fishman, I believe wasn't potent enough. I had ich show twice during treatment, a little above the recommended dose (I used 5/8 tsp for a 40 gallon), with the second time exploding on some fish. I said to hell with it and did ttm. It's been 3 days since the fish have been back into a once infested HT without any signs or symptoms of ich (all ht equip was thoroughly sterilized).

Please let me know how you do with the CP. I have some left, so there's a very minimal chance I may have done something wrong with the cp.

 

[tassod]

I hope you have better luck with the cp from the seller than I did. His cp, which he confirmed to be from Fishman, I believe wasn't potent enough. I had ich show twice during treatment, a little above the recommended dose (I used 5/8 tsp for a 40 gallon), with the second time exploding on some fish. I said to hell with it and did ttm. It's been 3 days since the fish have been back into a once infested HT without any signs or symptoms of ich (all ht equip was thoroughly sterilized).

Please let me know how you do with the CP. I have some left, so there's a very minimal chance I may have done something wrong with the cp.

I dosed at 80mg/10g which turned out to be about 1.5 tsps for a 75g tank. Looks like some improvement as the emperor now is eating where as before he wasn't. The blue hippo still eats like a pig but still has the white spots on him although much less than before. My plan as it stands now is to follow through with the 30 day treatment and if at the end the fish look healthy and good with no symptoms, I will run TTM on each of them with the final transfer being going into the DT.

 

[jbvdhp]

I dosed at 80mg/10g which turned out to be about 1.5 tsps for a 75g tank. Looks like some improvement as the emperor now is eating where as before he wasn't. The blue hippo still eats like a pig but still has the white spots on him although much less than before. My plan as it stands now is to follow through with the 30 day treatment and if at the end the fish look healthy and good with no symptoms, I will run TTM on each of them with the final transfer being going into the DT.

Good to hear. When I switched to ttm, some fish didn't take too well to it, probably too much going on. I hope all ends well for you. I lost a few fish during this horrible journey.

 

[tassod]

Good to hear. When I switched to ttm, some fish didn't take too well to it, probably too much going on. I hope all ends well for you. I lost a few fish during this horrible journey.

Sorry for your losses, i know the feeling..i had a velvet outbreak a few months ago which wiped out over 50% of my fish.

 

[tassod]

Update....Emperor tonight has white stringy poop...does this mean it's most likely some internal worm or parasite? Since the tank has CP in it, what would be the best approach to treat this? Prazipro with CP? Not sure if API General cure would help, i do have that also in hand.

 

[jbvdhp]

Ime, limited experience with cp, the cp caused the white poop. I would say nothing to worry about. All my fish had it when in cp.

 

[tassod]

Ime, limited experience with cp, the cp caused the white poop. I would say nothing to worry about. All my fish had it when in cp.

Interesting, when i treated my other fish for my velvet outbreak with the same CP, none of them had any type of poop like that.

 

[jbvdhp]

Interesting, when i treated my other fish for my velvet outbreak with the same CP, none of them had any type of poop like that.

Strange.

All fish had appetite suppression and had the white poop on cp, for me. After they came off of it... Back to normal

 

[tassod]

Well it's been a couple of days with the CP and they are responding well. The hippo looks totally clear as does the emperor and I don't see anymore of that white stringy poop on him. They are also both eating very well where as before the emperor was not eating.

 

[jbvdhp]

Well it's been a couple of days with the CP and they are responding well. The hippo looks totally clear as does the emperor and I don't see anymore of that white stringy poop on him. They are also both eating very well where as before the emperor was not eating.

Keep us updated.

 

[tassod]

White stringy poop is still there on the emperor, can i dose prazi pro with CP?