Breeding Log: Pterapogon Kaudnerni

Chiller is a must, no central heat and a/c and i don't know if the new place we'll have to move to first will have it or not. Flooring here probably won't support a 150g setup. No halides. If I do, they'll be a couple small spotlamps on either end of the T5's. At least I have most the corals already, lol. I've been stockpiling frags for a couple months now. My 55 is FULL!!!
 
I know how you feel Adam. I am setting up a 120 and I've been collecting frags for it. It has gotten to the point that I can't even buy anything new for lack of room....What a "terrible" predicament....:)
 
Cmc, heres how I have been dealing with the overcrowding, I frag my larger colonies, keep one for myself, and sell off the rest. wa-la, instant room for more frags, lol. I may even invest in a better light for the 20g bangaii tank, for the sole purpose of mushroom and zoo propagation. Leave the Sps, and lps to another frag tank I wanna do up eventually. (it's funny to think how expensive this hobby is, but thanks to comas, I know have more frags than I can actually house in one tank. this club really does ROCK!!)
 
Update: 12/29/2006

Update: 12/29/2006

Nothing overly spectacular has occured in the last few weeks but thought I'd update anyways.

All the babies I have remaining (6 now) are doing okay and eating cyclopeeze like fishy crack. Occasionally supplemented with newly hatched BBS. Still rockin' on, and getting bigger too. Although you probably couldn't tell, they're still tiny little guys.

I did have a baby suffer from "sudden fright syndrome" the other day. Luckily I had just read a post at Reef.Org about this very thing and it helped save the life of one of my babies.
Apparently infant and juvi bangaii's are very succeptible to this condition. Sudden Fright Syndrome is where for some reason the fish is spooked, lights coming on, a door slaming shut, something like that. When their spooked this badly, they stop moving, and float to the bottom where they lay, looking dead as a doornail. I took the advice of a guy from the other post, who used a spoon to gently keep water moving over there gills. I didn't want to use a kitchen spoon so i grabbed a Pipette I have and sat for almost an hour in front of this little tank keeping a current on his face. With each squirt of water he would perk up a bit and try to move his fins but kept sinking to the bottom. I had given up hope of him making it through and set the pipette down to go grab a net and help euthanize the poor suffering baby. I hate seeing fish die slowly like that. But by the time i got back with the net, he was up at the surface with all his siblings, eating on some lunch. I can't tell you how releaved I was that this actually worked. It's quite possible that several of my losses were do to this particular condition but I'd never seen it happen, I actually got to watch this guy freak out and stop moving so i was sure what the problem was, something scared him...and in all likely hood it was the dog running by the tank, he's clumsy and bumps it a bit. And allthough i cannot be 100% certain of this quite yet, I do have what appears to be either a 'pair' forming or a really friendly couple of babies. Two in particular, happens to be the two largest babies, tend to hang out together apart from the rest of the crowd. I have heard of Bangaii's pairing up as early as 4 -5 months old, but these are only 3 months old now. We'll see how they progress in the next couple months to come.

As for "mommy and daddy", they have yet to spawn again since the last batch was aborted. I've changed up my feeding a bit to include more frozen cubes (mysis, krill, reef plankton) and am going to try and get another spawn soon. I've also been sticking the larger adult brine shrimp from my culture in the display tank and it's always the Bangaii's who find em first and utterly destroy them! They sure do like the food that wiggles at em. I'm very careful now not to shake my fingers too much while holding a frozen cube in front of my maxijet. The female got a little close one day and nipped the finger tip, but I must not have tasted good cause she ran away, lol.

That's it for now, stay tuned for more exciting news to come!
 
New Spawning 12/31/2006

New Spawning 12/31/2006

My Bangaii's brought in the new years properly. 4th spawning took place New Year's Eve afternoon sometime. Whoo-Hoo!!!
 
They best be, I've been feeding almost exclusively frozen cubes all month long, Mysis, Reef plankton, and some Krill, i don't think they cared for anything other than mysis, but he and she both ate plenty. I'm confindent that they'll hold these guys full term. Good thing too, my other babies are getting big and loosing that 'baby look" to em, I'm ready for more, lol.
 
oh this is such a cool thread. I didn't know they would even breed in captivity. I had two for awhile then one for a couple of years. They are my husbands favorite. I may have to get a new couple after reading this. He would freak if they had babies.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=8884974#post8884974 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by JLM
I didn't know they would even breed in captivity.

JLM, Everything I have read on these guys say they are one of the easiest marine fish to breed, due to the fact that they lack a palegic larval stage and the male does the hard part for us, when he releases his babies they are freeswimming and already hunting their own food. If you guys get some more and have any questions feel free to hollar at me, always willing to help out a fellow reefer.
 
Thanks, I guess my only worry is I would need to put them in a breeding tank so the other fish wouldn't eat them.
 
That's the same trouble I've been having, so many babies lost to bigger hungier fish. Got a 20L breeding tank I'm working on for em. The only advise i would give you if you decide to get more would be to obtain several small juvi's (5-8 months old) in order to obtain a breeding pair. They are almost impossible to sex until you actually see a pair "pairing off". If you wanna be patient about it, I'm sure I'll have some babies available in the near future. All my current babies are spoken for but I do have another batch on the way. Should be roughly 21-32 days until they release and another 4-5 months until their old enough to sale, but I can probably get a "pair" identified by then. Or so I am hoping :D.
 
Adam - whatcha need for that 20g breeding tank? To get it setup? I'll be glad to donate some gear and I betcha others would as well.

Seriously, make us a list - this is a cool project!!!!
 
Although i greatly apprecieat that offer Captn, I think I have what I need for it. I'm just being patient with the cycling. I let it cycle once, stuck an urchin in there, had a massive nitrite spike followed by a dead urchin, so I'm just taking my time on it. I have the sandbed going well, stometellas everywhere in their, a couple hermits. And two "decorative" pieces of porous rock (the kind aquarium concepts and petsmart sells for african cichlid tanks and whatnot) . And a biowheel HOB filter (I know, but it'll have to do). Oh, and one little powersweep. Also picked up a 20g divider, I plan to stick that on when I'm expecting the male to release. I figure one parent fighting to eat their young is better than two parents fighting for them. LOL. Once I get my tank moved to the living room (project for this weekend) I'll be sticking the bangaii's in there. I really wanted alot more live rock in their but since bangaii's have a preference for the open sandbeds and seagrass beds, I'm going that route with the tank. Do they sell "seagrass" for aquariums? Or does anyone have an alternative they'd recommend?
 
Oh, I don't have any lighting for the tank yet..... :D and I'll glady take donations for that, lol. Or if anybody has another diadema setosum (black urchin) they'd like to sell, I do need another soon.
 
Parents are in their tank finally. I'll get a pic posted soon. Lost a few eggs during the transfer though, he got excited and spit some up, had about 10 or so hangin from his lip for awhile before he slurped em back in. I found 4 or 5 in the bottom of the tank so hopefully that'll be all I loose this time. Stay tuned for more!
 
Well crap! My male swallowed all his remaining eggs. Another aborted clutch. I blame the move to the new tank, since he did spit a few out while being netted. He and his mate seem to be adjusting well otherwise. They both are being very ferocious eaters lately, munching everything I can put in there, even the pellet food. So, now i play the waiting game and see if they are going to spawn in this setup. Being such a new tank though, I have my doubts. The 55 they were in was well established long before they were added. But we'll see. As for the babies I'm currently raising, I lost 3 of them, who knows when. They just were not in there last night when i looked. Their still small enough that a few "critters" can make a dead body disappear very quickly so no surprise I havn't found any dead fish laying around. This brings the numbers down to 3 left out of 3 batches. Not very good statistics but i'm a newbie, it happens. The 3 I have left though, one is definatly male, lol. He has been seen puffing his face full like an adult egg holding male when the other two are near. The other two are from the second batch and smaller than the male, both of them seem scared to death of this macho baby so i may very well have 3 males in here. Me and Jessica have decided that keeping and growing the babies out in a 2.5 just isn't going to be very feasable for us. We're having beacoup trouble keeping water quality optimal. And the PH gets even lower than the normal 7.8 I have in my 55g. I know, it's low, but the tank is looking good regardless. I guess being a stable 7.8 is better than fluctuating back and forth. So, we are looking into getting another setup for them soon. Stay posted for further updates.
 
cmc0814, I feel so sorry for you that I'm going to let you buy things for my tank. I'm so nice that way.

sheryl
 
Update: 01/18/2007

Update: 01/18/2007

New Spawning:

This makes the 6th consecutive spawning from this particular breeding pair. Spawning occured in their new tank between 8am and 1pm on the 18th. 20g long, 3 inch pavestone sandbed, A few pieces of live rock (decorative), penquin HOB biowheel filter. Kept the set up as simple as possible for the time being. Also added a new Diadema species (black urchin) to the tank yesterday. Will be adding a scooter blenny once I have the HOB refugium going well.

Heres a list of water parameters:
pH: 7.8
Alk: 8 dKH
Nitrate: 20ppm
Nitrite: 0
Ammonia: 0
Phosphates: 10 (lovin' the hair algae :D )

Pair was fed primarily on frozen mysis shrimp and krill. They don't like the krill much but will try it occasionally. Also supplemented their feeding with New Life Spectrum: Thera A+ formula sinking pellets.

The tank is being supplemented with daily portions of Phytoplankton (1/4 cup, w/ frozen cubes thawed in it).

No other supplements being used, no other chemicals added. In my opinion this tank is far worse looking than my nice display, but the bangaii's don't seem picky, they'll spawn anywhere from the looks of it.
 
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