Brett's fish room build - advice needed

BrettDS

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As a bit of background, I kept a reef tank for a number of years about 8 years ago. Then we moved from NY to Florida and I took down the tank and sold everything rather than try to move it across the country. It's taken 8 years, but I have finally given in and set up another tank. Back in NY I had a fish room in my basement with a huge 100G feed trough as a sump and plenty of space for everything else. This time I've got a 20G sump (and everything else) in the stand under the tank and I've quickly realized that I really don't have enough space... I'd like to set up a refugium and a frag tank and have a permanent place for a quarantine and I don't have anywhere for any of that right now.



We have a small walk in storage closet off of our garage that we haven't really been using that I think I'm going to commandeer as a fish room. It's about 3'4" x 5'3" and it's under the stairs, so it has a sloping ceiling that starts at 4'7" and goes up to 8'7". It's a bit smaller than would be ideal, but it's a heck of a lot bigger than my current space, which just consists of the space under my stand. I'd like to get everything, including reservoirs for NSW and RODI water in there, but since it's off of the garage it does give me the option to put the reservoirs in the garage if I just can't get everything in.



The room is directly under and on the other side of a wall from the DT, so it shouldn't be too difficult to run the drain and return down and through the wall. It's about 16 feet straight up from the floor of the fish room to the top of the DT, so I'll need a pretty decent return pump. There's a good chance that at some point I'll be adding at least one more FOWLR display tank, so at the very least I'm going to want to size the plumbing to support another tank and maybe even size the return pump for two tanks as well.



So right now, I think this is what I need to figure out...



What size pipes should I use for the return and the drain? I think my current return pump is moving around 300 - 400 gallons per hour, so maybe a goal of pushing 1000 gph would be good to support two tanks with a bit of capacity to spare. Again, I'm looking at 16 feet pretty much straight up, so there should be very few elbows.



Along the same lines, what might be a good return pump? I'll probably price out something that'll do about 400 gph at 16 feet as well as something that'll do 1000 gph at 16 feet... if it's a big difference I might go for the smaller pump for now and plan to replace it eventually when I get another tank. Right now I have a Jabeo DC3000 and I can control it's speed with my apex. I really like that option, but I'm not sure if anyone makes a speed controlled DC pump that big... particularly one that can be controlled with the apex. Would it be possible to connect two DC12000's in parallel?



Unfortunately there is no power in the room right now. I'm trying to decide if I should run a dedicated circuit for it, or just tap into the circuit for the hallway on the other side of the wall, which would be much easier. I'll have to double check to see what else is on that circuit, but I don't think it's got much of a load right now.



There is also no water supply or drain in the room. I should be able to run some 1/4 tubing for my RODI source and drain to a bathroom, but it would have been nice to have a sink right there. Frankly, though, I'm not sure there's enough room for a sink in there anyway.



I'll also need to figure out how to lay out the room. Right now I'm thinking that I'll put a large sump of some sort down at the end and maybe some short reservoirs for RODI and NSW on the left side where the shelves currently are, then I'll build a shelf above them for a frag tank and refugium. What do you think about doing a 55 gallon tank with a divider and put frags on half and a refugium on the other half? I'll need to figure out where a QT might fit in there as well.



Any suggestions on the above points (or anything else I might have missed) would be greatly appreciated:)

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Brett's fish room build - advice needed

So I've been spending some time looking at sump options. Like I said above, in NY I had one of the big rubbermaid stock tanks and I was considering going that way again, but a 100G stock tank would pretty much take up the entire closet leaving no room to move or walk. I did see that there is a 70G stock tank option, but I can't find one locally and shipping isn't cheap. Even that is pretty big... it would barely fit left to right and then come out 32 inches from the back wall, so it would take up a lot of space in there. However, I realized that petco is having their dollar/gallon sale right now, so I'm thinking that maybe I'll pick up a 55G for use as a sump. It would be much cheaper than the 70G stock tank and should fit better too.

Got rid of all the shelving in there too.

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So as I've been doing some additional research I realized that the Petco 55's use tempered glass for the whole tank and can't be drilled. I really don't want to deal with external overflow boxes and since I'll be using an external return pump I think that effectively kills the 55's for me. I'm thinking I can still get away with a petco 40G for the sump, though.. it's definitely a bit smaller than I would have preferred, but I'm planning to have a separate refugium so the sump will just need hold the skimmer and will need to have enough capacity to hold all the backflow when the return pump(s) are off... I think the 40 should be able to manage that.

So then I still need a frag tank, a refugium, and QT. I could do 40's for all three, but by the time I get four 40G tanks in that room there's really not room for anything else. I'm thinking I may do 20L's or 29's for the other three (or possibly a mix), but I'll have to play around with the drawings a bit more.
 
Are there any custom acrylic builders near you? Having a sump built to your spec would be the best route for a limited size space like you have, although not the cheapest.
 
you might also be able to find a used 55 that can be drilled. That's what I did with my 125 build. My original plan was just like yous, under the stair closet that wasn't being used. I had a 55g sump, Dart return and 2 30g brute drums. I was super tight in there.
 
A custom acrylic sump would be great, but it's probably more than I want to spend considering I can get the 40 from petco for $40. Im thinking I'll do the 40 sump, a 20L for the refugium and frag tank and a 29 for the QT
 
Well, I think I might be back to the 55. I found the Deepwater BLDC12 pump at salty supply (which is local to me, so that's a big plus too). The pump is submersible, so I won't need to drill the sump, it's speed controllable and they are promising apex integration sometime in the next few months. It also claims to support over 21 feet of head and according to the flow chart, 2000GPH at 16 feet, so it should definitely cover what I need.
 
rubbermaid has a fairly small 50g stock tank that Im using that may work....


Unfortunately their 50G stock tank won't work. It's basically the same dimensions as their 100G tank, just half as high. The footprint of that tank is basically the same size as the room:). The 70G stock tank is deeper with a smaller footprint and would possibly work in my space, but I think the 55G for $55 is going to fit better and be cheaper.
 
I've made a bit of progress this evening. I picked up the BLDC12 return pump. I wasn't planning on picking it up this early, but apparently Salty Supply is moving this weekend and I needed to get it tonight if I wanted it before Monday. I also think I've finalized my tank selections and placements (see the quick and dirty mock up below).

I'm going with the 55 gallon sump on the floor along the right wall, and I'll build an L shaped wooden shelf to support three tanks above it. A 20H in the corner for a refugium, a 20L on the right for frags, and another 20H on the left for a QT. Originally I was thinking I could put some water reservoirs under the QT, but now I'm wondering if I should get another 20H QT so I can do the TTM.

I also opened the wall for the plumbing and verified that there are no obstructions all the way up to the second floor. Tomorrow I'll open the wall behind the tank and attempt to drill a hole for the plumbing.

Finally I ran a bit of romex so I'll have power. I still need to get a junction box and some outlets.

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Brett's fish room build - advice needed

Got the stand built:). I realized that the hole I cut for the plumbing is way too high... I cut a new hole under the stand and above the sump and I'll patch the existing hole after I get the pipes run. I figure that as long as it's open it might make things easier.

Also got the outlets installed (above the water line and with a GFCI)

I'm heading out to get the new tanks now and hopefully get the hole open in the wall behind the tank and the hole cut through the floor for the pipes. Maybe even some plumbing this evening if things go really well.

I ordered some bulkheads and a diamond hole saw from Amazon for the 20's and that should be arriving today. I'm thinking we should be up and running by the weekend:)

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And they fit:)

Still on my list:

Open the wall behind the DT, cut a hole in the floor, and run the pipes

Drill the fuge and frag tanks

Partition the sump

A lot of plumbing

Figure out how to run water and waste for my RODI filter. (And run it)

Figure out which apex modules will remain upstairs and which go downstairs.

Add water:)

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I've made a lot of progress over the past two days. I drilled the two tanks and got the sump partitioned. And I have all the plumbing run.

The new fuge is filled with water and has a bit of live rock and some pods in it... It still needs some algae and a light and I'm filling the sump with RODI water now to be mixed with salt tomorrow.

I still have to move the equipment that's going downstairs and run lines for the RODI, but I think we're getting close to the end.

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You're not one prone to messing about, are you?


Lol... I rather enjoy projects like this... Although I've been averaging two to three trips to Home Depot per day. Pretty soon they're going to start thinking I work there. At least it's close to the house. I can do a round trip in 20 minutes if I just need one or two things.
 
So I fired up the return pump this morning on it's lowest speed with just the bypass to return the water to the sump open (no valve for the DT, but given the 16 feet of head the water couldn't make it to the DT with the bypass open and the pump on low).

I checked the pipes for leaks and things were looking good. I shut off the pump and then noticed a few drips on one of the pipes right above the pump. I was hoping that water had just splashed up there somehow, but I started the pump again and sure enough there was a joint above the sump that was slowly dripping.

Obviously this concerned me because it meant that I wasn't able to create sealed joints all of the time and it made me wonder about the rest of the joints in some of the other pipes.

I also was trying to figure out what to do about it. It was a slow drip and right above the sump, so for a little while I considered just leaving it, but I figured that would become messy pretty quickly with salt creep.

It would be a difficult junction to cut out and replace, so I debated trying to put some epoxy around the joint to try to seal it from the outside. I remembered seeing a thread on here about trying to use a vacuum to create a vacuum inside the pipe and suck pvc glue in through the leak to seal it.

About that time I noticed that I didn't see any purple primer around the edges of the joint, so I pulled on it and discovered that apparently I had just forgotten to glue it entirely. It was a tricky junction to make and I dry fitted the pipe so I could make sure everything else fit as I glued it. And apparently I never went back to actually glue that joint.

So I just glued it and hopefully that'll be my last leak:)
 
This is looking great .

I have on suggestion..Put a louvered door or some type of vent in that space .
Might not be a bad idea to Cut a vent down low and another at the top and put a fan in the top one.....Will help with moisture and ph issues in such a small closed space
 
We're officially up and running now, at least the DT, the fuge and the new sump are... I'm didn't have enough RODI water to fill the frag tank yet (although I don't have a light for it yet anyway, so all its gonna do for a bit is hold water for a bit)

Other than the one joint that I forgot to glue there were no leaks. The drain pipe is a bit louder than I'd prefer... Not gurgling from the tank, but the water falling 12 or 13 feet down inside the pipe. I'm gonna need to see what I can do with that.

I also still need to move some of my apex modules and the RODI downstairs, but I'm pretty happy with the way it's looking.
 
Brett's fish room build - advice needed

I have on suggestion..Put a louvered door or some type of vent in that space .

Good thought... I can feel a blast of humidity when I open the door now. I have an air quality sensor that will show the humidity level. I'll need to bring it down there and see how bad it is.

The room is off of the garage now, but I sealed the door to the garage with some weather striping. So I'm not sure if I want to just vent it to the house or maybe run a couple of 4 inch ducts through the garage and just vent it right to the outside. That should definitely help with pH and help keep the humidity out of the house.
 
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