Brightwell Salt.

I just can't believe he would potentially put his reputation on the line, over a salt.

Well, he dug his own post hole. He should have been smart enough to know that will not fly by many people. Lots of manufactures have exaggerated claims or stretch things out.

So in order for this product to be effective, if at all, it needs to be over-dosed?

You do that and the tank will be a clouded mess :)

Well, have a read at this. Pretty much proves my point.

Calcium Carbonate as a Supplement (Aragamight; Liquid Reactor)
http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/july2002/chem.htm

All-in-all, is LR completely useless or does it actually have a beneficial use?

The function of LR is to bring about proximity association of nitrification==> Denitrification. As far as LR dissolving no, or even aragonite sand. Ask yourself the question; " if aragonite sand/LR is dissolving in a reef tank, then why do I have to add calcium and Alk sup's ? " Will some of it dissolve ? Sure, but as far as it having any real benefit for Alk or Ca++ sup, then no. The amount it will benefit you will not be able to measure.

I don't understand this part of your very informative reply:

We run tanks at around 400 - 450 ppm Ca++, Alk 7- 12, pH 8.0 8.3, and it well not dissolve at those parameters. If you had these parameters a little may/will start to dissolve some.


pH = 7.7, Calcium = 410 ppm, Alkalinity = 2.5 meq/L


pH = 8.2, Calcium = 340 ppm, Alkalinity = 1.0 meq/L


Would you try this salt?

Well, it sure is worth at try. I'm sure Biilybeau will be doing it.

Yes, I like the looks of DDH20
 
About aragonite powder as a supplement:

I have been using homemade CaCO3 slurry to enhance mechanical filtration and I have noticed an interesting effect: the filter acts like a in-tank CaCO3 reactor. I barely need to add any CaCl2 and/or NaHCO3 to my tank, the filter maintains good levels. Although I haven't tested if this true, I guess the effect is due to CO2 produced inside the filter. I turn the filter off when I feed the tank (4 x 1 hour per day) and I think it is plausible that during this time the CO2 produced by bacteria is enough to dissolve significant amounts of the trapped CaCO3 particles. It was little surprising since I don't use canister filter, it's just with a powerhead and filter fleece.

I don't add the CaCO3 slurry straight into the tank but instead add it into the sump so that (almost) all particles are trapped in filter.
 
Yes, I have seen it I know the guy that runs it. It was that website last week that said RC had lost all its data base and there is no more RC and to include fake letters from our Admin RC saying it was gone for good.

Their table for sg is wrong. NSW @ 35 ppt is 1.0264 @ 25 C. BA is not correcting to std.. Nobody uses an 19 C hydrometer in this hobby, which that table is for. Second, it is just more marketing hype. He is good at that. There is no such thing as 1.024 g/cm3 sg, that is density and density does not equal sg. Sg has no unit of g/cm3. It is funny how one writes all that crap and does not even understand Salinity-Density-Sg relationships. Lastly, This means that the majority of individual ingredients in NçoMarine are of USP or ACS grade, the highest levels of purity in existence I do not buy this at all, as ACS is very expensive. Meaning it is mostly USP with very little ACS. And ACS and UPS are NOT the highest purity in existence. I challenge him to put out a data sheet showing what USP and ACS are used. However, once one reads through all the hype and gibberish it looks like a very good salt. The best thing is not using hydrated salts that add to the weight. Theoretically speaking, 35 grams of salt in 1 liter should equal 35 ppt but often the water content drops that down to 31-3 ppt. However, I see no lab tests on it, which only tells all. I also get tired of preparatory process crap.

Additionally, NeoMarine has been successfully used in a large reef aquarium on display at a prominent national museum in the Nation's Capitol.

Called marketing hype. Ok, so why not just list it BA, which one ?
 
I believe you Boomer. I don't understand any of it, so I thought I'd share.


It looks like, as of right now, I will be ordering the new DD-H20cean Magnesium Pro Plus.

I am willing to cough up some change for the BW salt as well, but this instant, it is not looking good for Chris's salt. :(



Sorry Chris.
 
I agree, not looking to good for Neo Marine. Which is dis appointing because I wanted it to be good. Not to say it isn't good, but after putting all that BS on the packaging I don't think I could bring myself to buy it.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15501029#post15501029 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by luther1200
I agree, not looking to good for Neo Marine. Which is dis appointing because I wanted it to be good. Not to say it isn't good, but after putting all that BS on the packaging I don't think I could bring myself to buy it.
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Me either.
 
Boomer, i've been around this hobby for only about 5 years and don't even pretend to know anything more than "luck". i am doing the zeovit system (don't know your opinion on this). I use get tanked salt but looking for a low Kh salt as he zeo heads suggest. I have followed your posts on several threads and respect your honesty. What salt would you recommend for a Zeovit system (whether you agree with Zeo or not :) ). I was about ready to switch to TM, but have you ever had any experience with Gettanked formula 1 or 2? Don't "blast me", I really would like a good opinion.
mike
 
Neomarine Parameters

Neomarine Parameters

I just got done mixing up 25 gallons of Neomarine. Salt was mixed for 24 hours @78 degrees

Here is what I tested.
Salinity = 53.0 Ms Salinity probe
PH = 8.36 Ph probe
Calcium = 430 Elos
Alk = 11 Dkh Avg between Lamotte and Elos
Mag= 1320 Salifert
Potassium = 375ish KZ test

I do not like the high alk as I'm running Zeo.

Hopefully some others will post their results???
 
No Mike I have not even heard of that salt :lol: TM or DD-H20 are at the top IMHO. Only time will tell about the BA salt. However, for what it is worth, most salts will do fine. As far as I'm concerned it is so much gibberish nonsense that salt x is better that salt y. The only thing we have as a guide is a data assay sheet that list what it has and see how close it is to NSW and there has not been a "real" one of those since Craig Bingman did his years ago.. All the rest have some real testing issues. I used IO almost since its "invention". The truth of the matter real its that any salt is a choice and to use/choose the salt that seems to work best for you and your tank. If someone tells you that salt x will better for your animals that is also just more gibberish. As, there is not ONE shred of evidence that proves that.
 
I sent an email to Chris at Brightwell and was please with his response.

To sum it up there is a great deal of pride that goes into making your own salt along with the proper equipment to measure ingredients. They have both and are pleased with their product and will stand behind what the label says 100%.
 
Thanks Boomer - I was leaning towards TM as it runs lower Kh and seems to be consistent from batch to batch from what I have read. I can also get local which helps the wallet.

and now ..... let the great salt debate continue!! :)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15509067#post15509067 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by janes_mw
Thanks Boomer - I was leaning towards TM as it runs lower Kh and seems to be consistent from batch to batch from what I have read. I can also get local which helps the wallet.

and now ..... let the great salt debate continue!! :)
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Hi Janes

You as Me are Zeovit users and could tell you that i have been using Reefers best salt and Iam very happy with it as each box i have gone thru More than 8 with my friends have given us great readings as indicated by them
I dont know there hole table of contents for there other elements but what Iam looking for is a stable batch by batch and parameters like theres

Mixed at 1.025
Cal 420-430
Alk 7
Mag 1300-1350

And I only have to do 5% water change and my corals look happy
I know its an 85 dollars box its pricey but its a great salt at least for me and it gives me like 5 month of service in my 75 tank

Like boomer says every body is going to say there things is best but you just will have to try what works best for your tank

Get tanked salt its a good salt according to other reefers in an other forum that have use them and its hand mixed buy the guy him self
It was made for reefers using low nutrient system like zeovit, fauna marin and others
 
will stand behind what the label says 100%.

Well, of course they have to. Dont' forget they say avg. Lets take that to the net level. One bucket 400, next bucket 426 = 400 + 426 = 826/2 = 413.000 ppm Ca++.

the proper equipment to measure ingredients

They claim to be using HACH equipment for their tests. Maybe they would like to explain to me which ones as none of them test to 1/000 of a ppm. HACH does not even make a kit for Sr. You can only get those results he has on the bucket by ICP and he is not even rich enough to have on of those or has the knowledge base to operate one. Each batch tested by someone else would cost ~$300-$400

11 Dkh compared to the 7.5 on the label.

He will call it a testing error by you ;)

eggiel

I think you are wasting your money on that salt. Just like their expensive GAC which is a real waste of money. They waaayyyyyy over charge for things. It is in their mined if they jack the price way up people will think it must be the best salt since chocolate cake. And their media is nothing more than FW ammonia remover, Nitrate Sponge, DeNitrate.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15510982#post15510982 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Billybeau1
I will test Brightwell soon and post it on my list. Then we can put this all to rest. :D
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I have a feeling it's already been "busted" by Boomer, before it's been out longer than two weeks.


Back to TMP for me. It is also local, however I pay a decent penny for it. Guy said buy 5 boxes (the smaller boxes, not buckets), get 1 free.

I run a nano, and use the boxes, not the 200g buckets. Seems like a fair deal to me.
 
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