Brightwell Salt.
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luther1200
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This is aparantly an answer to our many questions, or did I just mis this info earlier on. Below is a quote from a website that sells the salt. What do you guys think.
Product Information
As you have read on the outside of this container of NçoMarine, we make the claim that it is so close in composition to natural seawater that marine organisms cannot tell the difference. How can we make this claim if the product does not provide every element present in natural seawater?
The answers are not as complicated as one might think, and may be addressed in three separate but very important aspects: 1.) the nature of the elements present; 2.) their concentrations with respect to average natural seawater parameters; 3.) the quality of ingredients utilized and the means in which the salt is produced. These points are addressed individually below.
First, all major elements are present in NçoMarine, however only minor and trace elements known to undergo biological and/or chemical interactions (e.g. depletion) in natural seawater are included. What this means is that there is a specific change (decrease) in the concentration profile of the element measured in the surface waters where life is concentrated; such elements are believed to interact with marine life and/or with other substances present in the water, and these elements are considered to exhibit "œnon-conservative" behavior. Elements that do not exhibit these characteristics do not apparently interact with marine life or these other substances (at least as far as current analytical methods can discern); they are not likely necessary for the continued health or existence of marine organisms. It follows that these elements are not required for success with a marine aquarium; in fact, if added they would gradually accumulate with time. Because of this, they may be omitted from the salt mix and the savings in raw materials and production procedures passed on to the aquarist.
Second, the comparison table on the outside of this package indicates that, when mixed to a specific gravity of 1.024 g/cm3, the concentrations of elements present are extraordinarily close to those observed in natural seawater; in fact, with only one exception (chloride), all major, minor, and trace elements present are in the proportions to one another that they are in natural seawater. The natural seawater concentrations of elements listed are taken from current data compiled by oceanographers, and the formula is adjusted as analytical methods are improved and new data becomes available. These changes are so minute that they will not noticeably alter the performance of the salt or the appearance of aquarium inhabitants; we simply want the concentrations of elements present to remain as close to those found in natural seawater as possible.
Third, as with all Brightwell Aquatics water care products, we use the very highest purity ingredients available, period. This means that the majority of individual ingredients in NçoMarine are of USP or ACS grade, the highest levels of purity in existence. We do not cut any corners when it comes to what goes into our products. Additionally, we manufacture our salt mix on-site under very strict environmental conditions, ensuring the maximum degree of quality and accuracy to our formulation, and every container of NçoMarine is lot numbered for quality control.
This formula has undergone extensive testing and has produced very impressive results. Livestock from every common family of ornamental marine organisms has been maintained in water prepared with this formula without incident, many of them reproducing freely when they had not done so in aquaria maintained with other salt brands.
If you have purchased this package, used a portion of it, and find that the salt falls short of your expectations, please do not hesitate to contact us. We want you to use this salt and be 100% satisfied with it. We are confident that NçoMarine Salt Mix is the best such product on the market because we have formulated it to contain everything needed by marine life in precise natural seawater concentrations, and because we have paid such close attention to all pertinent details of purity and manufacturing. We thank you for choosing Brightwell Aquatics as your supplier of marine aquarium salt, and wish you the best of success with your aquaria.
A Brief Discussion of Specific Gravity (Density) and Salinity
Specific gravity is a measurement of density, and the relationship that it has with salinity is dependant upon water temperature. Oceanographers generally agree that the average salinity of the world's oceans is ~35.0"°, however the salinity of water in some areas may be considerably higher. This is largely a result of the balance between evaporation and influx of freshwater in specific areas and/or bodies of water; the higher the rate of evaporation and/or the lower the relative volume of freshwater influx, the higher the average salinity tends to be. The Red Sea is a prime example of this: essentially surrounded by desert and with very little exchange of water between itself and neighboring water bodies, the average salinity tends to be quite high relative to that of other tropical marine environments; areas of the Red Sea may exceed 40"° at times. For the most part, however, salinity in tropical areas tends to fall between 35 "“ 37"°, and this is a sensible range to maintain within marine aquaria.
The following table lists various specific gravity values that correspond with salinity and temperature values normally found in tropical reef habitats:
Temperature °F 77.0 77.9 78.8 79.7 80.6 81.5 82.4
Temperature °C 25.0 25.5 26.0 26.5 27.0 27.5 28.0
Salinity ppt 35.0 1.02360 1.02349 1.02337 1.02326 1.02314 1.02303 1.02291
35.5 1.02398 1.02386 1.02375 1.02363 1.02352 1.02340 1.02329
36.0 1.02436 1.02424 1.02413 1.02401 1.02390 1.02378 1.02367
36.5 1.02474 1.02462 1.02451 1.02439 1.02428 1.02416 1.02405
37.0 1.02512 1.02500 1.02489 1.02477 1.02466 1.02454 1.02443
Specific Gravity
Product Information
As you have read on the outside of this container of NçoMarine, we make the claim that it is so close in composition to natural seawater that marine organisms cannot tell the difference. How can we make this claim if the product does not provide every element present in natural seawater?
The answers are not as complicated as one might think, and may be addressed in three separate but very important aspects: 1.) the nature of the elements present; 2.) their concentrations with respect to average natural seawater parameters; 3.) the quality of ingredients utilized and the means in which the salt is produced. These points are addressed individually below.
First, all major elements are present in NçoMarine, however only minor and trace elements known to undergo biological and/or chemical interactions (e.g. depletion) in natural seawater are included. What this means is that there is a specific change (decrease) in the concentration profile of the element measured in the surface waters where life is concentrated; such elements are believed to interact with marine life and/or with other substances present in the water, and these elements are considered to exhibit "œnon-conservative" behavior. Elements that do not exhibit these characteristics do not apparently interact with marine life or these other substances (at least as far as current analytical methods can discern); they are not likely necessary for the continued health or existence of marine organisms. It follows that these elements are not required for success with a marine aquarium; in fact, if added they would gradually accumulate with time. Because of this, they may be omitted from the salt mix and the savings in raw materials and production procedures passed on to the aquarist.
Second, the comparison table on the outside of this package indicates that, when mixed to a specific gravity of 1.024 g/cm3, the concentrations of elements present are extraordinarily close to those observed in natural seawater; in fact, with only one exception (chloride), all major, minor, and trace elements present are in the proportions to one another that they are in natural seawater. The natural seawater concentrations of elements listed are taken from current data compiled by oceanographers, and the formula is adjusted as analytical methods are improved and new data becomes available. These changes are so minute that they will not noticeably alter the performance of the salt or the appearance of aquarium inhabitants; we simply want the concentrations of elements present to remain as close to those found in natural seawater as possible.
Third, as with all Brightwell Aquatics water care products, we use the very highest purity ingredients available, period. This means that the majority of individual ingredients in NçoMarine are of USP or ACS grade, the highest levels of purity in existence. We do not cut any corners when it comes to what goes into our products. Additionally, we manufacture our salt mix on-site under very strict environmental conditions, ensuring the maximum degree of quality and accuracy to our formulation, and every container of NçoMarine is lot numbered for quality control.
This formula has undergone extensive testing and has produced very impressive results. Livestock from every common family of ornamental marine organisms has been maintained in water prepared with this formula without incident, many of them reproducing freely when they had not done so in aquaria maintained with other salt brands.
If you have purchased this package, used a portion of it, and find that the salt falls short of your expectations, please do not hesitate to contact us. We want you to use this salt and be 100% satisfied with it. We are confident that NçoMarine Salt Mix is the best such product on the market because we have formulated it to contain everything needed by marine life in precise natural seawater concentrations, and because we have paid such close attention to all pertinent details of purity and manufacturing. We thank you for choosing Brightwell Aquatics as your supplier of marine aquarium salt, and wish you the best of success with your aquaria.
A Brief Discussion of Specific Gravity (Density) and Salinity
Specific gravity is a measurement of density, and the relationship that it has with salinity is dependant upon water temperature. Oceanographers generally agree that the average salinity of the world's oceans is ~35.0"°, however the salinity of water in some areas may be considerably higher. This is largely a result of the balance between evaporation and influx of freshwater in specific areas and/or bodies of water; the higher the rate of evaporation and/or the lower the relative volume of freshwater influx, the higher the average salinity tends to be. The Red Sea is a prime example of this: essentially surrounded by desert and with very little exchange of water between itself and neighboring water bodies, the average salinity tends to be quite high relative to that of other tropical marine environments; areas of the Red Sea may exceed 40"° at times. For the most part, however, salinity in tropical areas tends to fall between 35 "“ 37"°, and this is a sensible range to maintain within marine aquaria.
The following table lists various specific gravity values that correspond with salinity and temperature values normally found in tropical reef habitats:
Temperature °F 77.0 77.9 78.8 79.7 80.6 81.5 82.4
Temperature °C 25.0 25.5 26.0 26.5 27.0 27.5 28.0
Salinity ppt 35.0 1.02360 1.02349 1.02337 1.02326 1.02314 1.02303 1.02291
35.5 1.02398 1.02386 1.02375 1.02363 1.02352 1.02340 1.02329
36.0 1.02436 1.02424 1.02413 1.02401 1.02390 1.02378 1.02367
36.5 1.02474 1.02462 1.02451 1.02439 1.02428 1.02416 1.02405
37.0 1.02512 1.02500 1.02489 1.02477 1.02466 1.02454 1.02443
Specific Gravity
luther1200
Premium Member
The table didn't copt well, only the numbers made it not the grid, I am not sure why. But you can still tell what its trying to say.
Just more BS in you opinion I guess. Thats kind of what I was thinking. Any body else do any tests on this salt?
Just more BS in you opinion I guess. Thats kind of what I was thinking. Any body else do any tests on this salt?
Yes, as I have seen the table and posted on it. It is saying.......
77F (25C) 35 ppt = 1.02360 sg
That should be 1.0264 sg
You would need a 49 F hydrometer to get that and there is no such thing :lol: I think they made a error, as a 49F is exactly that and they were thinkin 59 F, which is std in science labs and that would be 1.0243. He is totally lost on sg-salinity-density relationships. Even if I pretend he is using Density and not sg, then 35 ppt @ 77F = 1.0233. A 1.02360 DENSITY = 35.35 ppt
77F (25C) 35 ppt = 1.02360 sg
That should be 1.0264 sg
You would need a 49 F hydrometer to get that and there is no such thing :lol: I think they made a error, as a 49F is exactly that and they were thinkin 59 F, which is std in science labs and that would be 1.0243. He is totally lost on sg-salinity-density relationships. Even if I pretend he is using Density and not sg, then 35 ppt @ 77F = 1.0233. A 1.02360 DENSITY = 35.35 ppt
Wheel of Time
New member
Boomer, Ive net met you, but sure would like to shake your hand. Read a ton of your posts, and info -- all much appreciated in helping us navigate all the bs in this hobby and educating us a bit. I like the no-nonsense approach.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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Originally posted by RBU1
I looked online at this DD H2Ocean salt....I can't believe people are paying that kind of money for salt.....You all must have nano tanks. If I had to pay $120.00 for a 150 gallon bucket of salt I would need to refinance my house. I go thru 2 buckets a month. In my opinon that is ridiculous......
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Ahhhhhh...the beauty of nano's.
Mark
p.s. Yes..... I have a nano tank and use D-D H2O
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Originally posted by RBU1
I looked online at this DD H2Ocean salt....I can't believe people are paying that kind of money for salt.....You all must have nano tanks. If I had to pay $120.00 for a 150 gallon bucket of salt I would need to refinance my house. I go thru 2 buckets a month. In my opinon that is ridiculous......
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Ahhhhhh...the beauty of nano's.
Mark
p.s. Yes..... I have a nano tank and use D-D H2O
Billybeau1
Premium Member
Hey, Boomer, just got a bag of Brightwells. It is mixing as we speak.
Stay tuned.
Stay tuned.
luther1200
Premium Member
Do you think you will test it tonight??
What was you overall impression of it?
What was you overall impression of it?
Yes, was it white?
Billybeau1
Premium Member
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=15592166#post15592166 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by WaterKeeper
Yes, was it white?
As a matter a fact it was. When I opened the bag, I had to put my sunglasses on. :lol:
Quite dry too, I might add.
We shall see.
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Billybeau1
Premium Member
I don't know yet luther. It hasn't cleared yet. If it does after dinner and if my wife does not fill me up too much, I may try it. Otherwise, I may wait till the AM.
Patience my friend.
luther1200
Premium Member
Well I would say most people wait 24-48 hours do that would be a more accurate test IMO.
