Bubble King Skimmer Club

Thank you for the info Slief. It helps ALOT before someone spends that type of money.
Now I need to figure out how not to let the wife know what the new toy costs!
 
Thank you for the info Slief. It helps ALOT before someone spends that type of money.
Now I need to figure out how not to let the wife know what the new toy costs!

LOL.. Been there done that. Fortunately, I don't get asked many questions when it comes to cost.. You will love that skimmer and it's RD3 pump. It makes tuning a skimmer a dream. I've run an awful lot of skimmers over the last 27 years. I've had very large high end Beckett skimmers, Reef Octopus, Euro Reefs, a very expensive high end 5' German made Klase skimmer and even an Alpha 300 skimmer along with many others. I switched from the Alpha to the Supermarin 250 because I felt the Alpha and it's insanely large neck diameter was ultimately too large for my system as it was inconsistent. I could have got the SM300 and was very close to pulling the trigger on it but without a doubt, it would have been marginally too large for my system and more than likely would have had the same consistancy issues that my Alpha had. In the end, I am happy I went with the SM250. It's been by far the most consistant and efficient skimmer I have ever owned. I also run a really nice Skim Clean AquaDriver self cleaning head and only remove my collection cup for a cleaning every 4-6 months when I clean my skimmer pump. An SCH would be a really nice addition to your skimmer and would reduce maintenance substantially. Unfortunately the AquaDrivers are no longer readily available but a Vertex Vectra with the 150mm lid would be a decent option.

FWIW, I run my SM250 in about 9" of water at 38 watts.. You can use that as a starting point.
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Finally got the new sump installed so I can fit my DC180 in it. I have been having problems keeping nitrates down and I ultimately think its because my other skimmer wasn't doing much. I also think it was the skimmer due to the PH being down due to lack of oxygen. The DC180 has only been running for 2.5 days but it seems to have already pulled out more waste than my old skimmer would in 2 weeks.

Its sitting in just under 8" of water and set to 24 W currently. Wedge pipe all the way open. The bubbles seem a bit large going into the riser, but the skimmate looks pretty good so I guess all is well for now. Its till breaking in, so we shall see. The PH is also up by .2+ since I installed the skimmer, so I guess its helping with dissolved oxygen as well.

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Finally got the new sump installed so I can fit my DC180 in it. I have been having problems keeping nitrates down and I ultimately think its because my other skimmer wasn't doing much. I also think it was the skimmer due to the PH being down due to lack of oxygen. The DC180 has only been running for 2.5 days but it seems to have already pulled out more waste than my old skimmer would in 2 weeks.

Its sitting in just under 8" of water and set to 24 W currently. Wedge pipe all the way open. The bubbles seem a bit large going into the riser, but the skimmate looks pretty good so I guess all is well for now. Its till breaking in, so we shall see. The PH is also up by .2+ since I installed the skimmer, so I guess its helping with dissolved oxygen as well.

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Yea, I think that skimmer is doing real good for only 2.5 days. Seems you are off to a great start and already found a sweet spot. The increase in pH is a clear indication that you are getting better dissoved o2 as a result of the new skimmer. That is one of the things that many people don't realize. Skimmers are not just about removing DOC's from the water. A skimmer can also play an important and even critical role in adding dissolved o2 to the water which can also really help in maintaining stable pH. A great skimmer like what you have can have a lot of impact on a tanks health in more ways than people realize.
 
i can't seem to control the water level in skimmer. Water level in skimmer does not go up or down with wedge pipe unless the pipe is 95% to completely closed. Then water actually raises. If pipe is completely open or closed 50-75%, the water level stays the same. Does not move not even an inch. So in order to have the skimmer skimming I have to have the wedge practically closed and the water level at 91/2"-10". Anyone else had wedge issues? I never had any issues with other skimmers in the past. Usually when I close a valve on a skimmer it raises just by moving it a slight bit. This one needs to be 90% closed in order to get some water level raising

I went back to page 1 of this hread and was following along. I saw a few people posting same issue with wedge pipe being nearly closed but none offer a solution. Lol. They posted and then disappeared.
 
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Try raising the level a bit more to 9" and see where that gets you. Ideally, you want the water level of the sump to determine the level in the skimmer and only use the wedge pipe to fine tune. I'm thinking you just don't have much in the way of DOC's in your water despite the 3 tangs.

I understand that 3 tangs might not be a lot of DOC's but will that be the reason why I have to run the skimmer water level so high as well as have the wedge closed?
I was skimming thru the thread and I saw a few people running the mini on smaller tank sizes with good results from pics.
I'm just goin to leave it another week. Maybe it breaks in some more. Idk
 
I understand that 3 tangs might not be a lot of DOC's but will that be the reason why I have to run the skimmer water level so high as well as have the wedge closed?
I was skimming thru the thread and I saw a few people running the mini on smaller tank sizes with good results from pics.
I'm just goin to leave it another week. Maybe it breaks in some more. Idk

Sucks you're having problems. Did you call PA?
 
Hey Rich.
I spoke to them this morning. They told me to trouble shoot a few things and see if it helps.
I did notice this afternoon my salinity is low/1.022. Not sure if that affects the performance drastically. Will raise it and let it run for a few days and see if that makes a difference. If nothing changes I will have to talk to PA again and see what next step is.

How's your been running?
 
Curious to see how the salinity change will effect the skimming. Mine is skimming steady and kicking butt. I hope you get yours dialed soon.
 
Hoping someone might be able to help. I'm planning on buying the mini 200 but I'm not sure if I should buy the one with the RD3 or not. What are the advantages of an adjustable pump and disadvantages if any? And does the RD3 mini have the anti lime bypass? (I think that is what it is called)
 
Hoping someone might be able to help. I'm planning on buying the mini 200 but I'm not sure if I should buy the one with the RD3 or not. What are the advantages of an adjustable pump and disadvantages if any? And does the RD3 mini have the anti lime bypass? (I think that is what it is called)

The RD3's do have an anti lime bypass as far as I am aware. I know my RD3 that is on my Supermarin has it. The bypass serves as a means of additional cooling for the block. If the mini didn't include it, it would be because it doesn't need it.

The answer to your first question from my perspective is one the previous page but here is a copy and paste for you.

The RD3 pump makes adjusting the tuning the skimmer much easier. Increasing the pumps speed/wattage increases the water flow and air volume into the skimmer. This also tends to increase the bubble size. Decreasing the flow/wattage decreases the bubble size while also decreasing the amount of air drawn into the skimmer. The advantage over this approach vs the adjustable volume on the standard Red Dragon pumps is as follows.


It allows for much more flexibility in varying environments. No two tanks are the same as far as nutrients, salinity, temp, sump water level etc. All of which have a direct impact on the optimal skimmer settings. Having control over the pumps flow like that allows to skimmer to be fine tuned much easier for those kinds of variations.

Sump level can have the biggest impact on a skimmers performance and in cases of sumps that are particularly deep, a lower pump speed may be needed to prevent overflows where as a sump that has a lower water level may require greater water flow into the skimmer to keep the foam head up high enough. Tanks with low levels of DOC's also benefit from that kind of control as skimmers in low nutrient tanks have a harder time producing a consistent foam head. Being able to control water flow and air bubble size like that, gives an advantage over the traditional pump that can only be dialed in via the adjustable volute and sump level.


I've used both style pumps. The original Red Dragons with their adjustable volutes on my previous bubble king skimmer and the RD3 on my Supermarin 250. The RD3 has made dialing in my skimmer and maintaining consistency much much easier. Many would think that slowing down the skimmer pump would be counter intuitive but because the bubble size, air volume and water flow into the skimmer is impacted by the pumps speed, it actually works really well for fine tuning. Especially because the adjustments can be made in very small increments. Not only that but because of the differences from one tank to the next, having that kind of flexibility with the skimmer where our tanks setup, nutrients and or sump levels may not be so flexible makes a world of difference in really getting the skimmer performing to the best of it's ability. In my case, my skimmer is in 9" of water which is at the upper end of the range for the skimmer. I found that a setting of about 36 watts out of a total of 50 watts is optimal for my tank. Not only does that pump allow me to get my skimmer dialed in easier but it also saves on power consumption which for me is important as my electrical bills have been known to be off the charts.

Lastly, if for any reason you want to skim really wet or make a quick adjustment, all it requires is a quick push of a button as opposed to tinkering with an adjustable volute that doesn't really give you a good indication of where you are as far as adjustments. With the RD3, you get a number of the display that makes for easy reference when tuning the skimmer or going back to a particular setting.
 
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Have had the skimmer running for another week. It is skimming a lil better. Set at 8.5" water level. Still have the wedge pipe closed 95%. Can't seem to get much adjustment from pipe with water level higher or lower. I snapped a pic of wedge pipe completely closed and there is a gap on bottom and sides. Is this normal or is my wedge pipe cut wrong/defective. Could this be reason why I'm having hard time adjusting
If anyone has easy access or has a bk mini not in use can you please check and see if your wedge pipe closed is like mine in pic.
 

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Have had the skimmer running for another week. It is skimming a lil better. Set at 8.5" water level. Still have the wedge pipe closed 95%. Can't seem to get much adjustment from pipe with water level higher or lower. I snapped a pic of wedge pipe completely closed and there is a gap on bottom and sides. Is this normal or is my wedge pipe cut wrong/defective. Could this be reason why I'm having hard time adjusting
If anyone has easy access or has a bk mini not in use can you please check and see if your wedge pipe closed is like mine in pic.

I have no means of checking my wedge pipe given that my skimmer is up and running and inside my sump and also don't have a mini but I think all the wedge pipes operate the same. You might try pushing the wedge pipe down to see if maybe it's just not all the way in. There is a set screw that locks the wedge pipe in place so make sure you loosen that up before pushing on the top of the wedge pipe.

It could be that you need to increase the depth of your skimmer or raise the water level a bit more as you may have a low amount of DOC's/bio load for this skimmer.
 
I have a heavily stocked 220 gal tank & am thinking of getting a BK skimmer. Any suggestions or words of wisdom on which model to get? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! Thanks!!
 
I have a heavily stocked 220 gal tank & am thinking of getting a BK skimmer. Any suggestions or words of wisdom on which model to get? Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! Thanks!!

A Supermarin 200 or Double Cone 200. Either would work VERY well for a system your size. The Supermarin might be slightly oversized if your load isn't truly heavy where as the Double Cone is just about perfect for any stock load on a 220g tank.
 
Thanks slief. The Supermarin is the one I was considering. Another quick question, would the Supermarin 200 work on a 400 gallon? I am thinking of having a new tank made. Thanks again!
 
Thanks slief. The Supermarin is the one I was considering. Another quick question, would the Supermarin 200 work on a 400 gallon? I am thinking of having a new tank made. Thanks again!

It would be just fine on a 400 gallon display. In fact, I think it would be perfect for that size tank. I run a Supermarin 250 on my heavily stocked 480g display. I was originally considering a SM300 but opted for the 250 because my logic was that I would be better off with a harder working skimmer that was more consistent than an oversized skimmer that hardly had to work and wasn't as consistent as a result.

While you could use a SM250 on a 400 gallon display, I think you will find the SM200 to be more consistent. Especially if you don't have a really heavy load. One thing people fail to realize is that the load in the tank is offset by the biological filtration such as our live rock, deep sand beds, refugiums etc as well as mechanical filters such as filter socks. All of which contribute to waste removal in one way or another. As such, our loads are often not as heavy as we may think. The better thing about the SM200 (over a larger SM) on the 400 gallon display is that you will find yourself tinkering with it much less (if at all) and it will be easier to get dialed in. Skimmers depend on DOC's (dissolved ogranic compounds) to produce a consistent foam head. If the skimmer is too large (in relation to the load), it will exhaust the DOC's quickly and idle along until the DOC's build back up. That lack of consistency tends to make us want to make adjustments.

In the case of an oversized skimmer, in order to get any kind of consistency, we are forced to run them really wet which presents it's own set of issues. After all, it's the skimmate in the cup that tells us how well our skimmer is producing and when it stops producing, we want to make adjustments. If you have to run them too wet to get them to produce consistently, they have a tendency to overflow if things get even slightly out of whack. I had that issue with my Alpha 300. I had to run it really wet to get any kind of consistency and it was literally right on edge and I found my self making adjustments all too often. It was what drove me to the smaller SM250 and it has proved to be a very good decision for my system. I love my skimmer and I absolutely love the ease getting it dialed in that RD3 Speedy pump has brought to the table. Best of all, I never mess with it. It produces consistently day in and day out and has done so since I got it over a year ago.

I think you will love the SM200 and given that you are planning an upgrade, I think that would be a very sound purchase. You will absolutely love that skimmer!
 
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Thanks again Slief! I'm in the process of pricing out a 8ft long 3ft deep 30 inch tall tank to replace my 220. Sounds like I'll be border line between the supermarin 200 & 250. Do you think the 200 would still work? It'll be a pretty well stocked mixed reef. Your experience & knowledge are greatly appreciated!!! Thanks, Dominick
 
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