Building Big Bertha: 800G

totally sweet Ben. I hope that is enough energy for your needs. I am figuring I will need closer to 35kW to cover my house at peak times.

Did you get it from HD? I'll be in CO next week but I ma not sure I will be able to get by Boulder...I mean, that's a whole 'nuther country! :D
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9485468#post9485468 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
totally sweet Ben. I hope that is enough energy for your needs. I am figuring I will need closer to 35kW to cover my house at peak times.

Did you get it from HD? I'll be in CO next week but I ma not sure I will be able to get by Boulder...I mean, that's a whole 'nuther country! :D

Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend buying for peak unless you plan on having lots of outages. My goal is to power all of Bertha's requirements plus just a few other necessities. I'm okay with not having lights or whatever for a few days.

I got the generator from Norwall over the internet. Great pricing, decent webpage, good customer service on the phone. Very straightforward!

Ben
 
Hey, progress! Let's start with cutting holes in my house:

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Here's one of the inside ports to the outside world. This one doesn't have the fan installed; the fan has that white frame and those neat metal rings to allow you to remove it, clean it, maintain it, and in my case, wire it up in the first place. You can also replace the fan in the enclosure in either direction, so you can chance which way the air flows if you need to.

This particular duct has to take a quick detour around the trolley track/light rail and then it jogs up to the ceiling and travels the length of the room to its termination point right atop Bertha. Here you can see the end of it, which is actually the input -- hopefully this duct will suck the hottest air right off the lights and dump it outside.

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Since Bertha's room is more or less sealed off from the rest of the house, there must be two holes in my house in order for a massive pressure differential not to build up. Here's the view of both holes from the inside:

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...and from the outside:

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So I did some wiring and now we have this, a pair of wired fans pushing in opposite directions, connected to a regular power plug by way of a speed controller. The controller is just a potentiometer; it allows adjusting the speed from 100% to about 30% and complete shut-off.

The plug plugs into a humidistat/thermostat combination, which you can just barely see sitting atop the other tank here:

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Eventually I will mount these boxes on the wall and clean up the wiring a bit, but for now... it works! The fans are also pretty quiet... lots of air noise, but it's very manageable. No vibration, no resonance against the walls, and with the room sealed up you have to work to hear them running in the living room. Perfect.

I also got the electrical tether for the light rail finished up. I only need two cords to drive the halides, but I knew I'll at least have a moon light up there on the lights, and I decided to go ahead and wire in a fourth cord for future expansion. So I bundled all the cords up:

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...color-coded them with some zip ties so I could debug quickly if needed:

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...and rigged them up to the extra trolley track:

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Now, when the light rail is pushed over Bertha in the normal position, the little hooks on the track gather up the cord so it doesn't dangle all over the place and make a mess/hazard:

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Hey, progress!

Ben
 
Nice to see that Bertha is coming along. That additional rail for the power cords works slick! (I wish I had done that...)

You know...I installed a similar vent fan, but I didn't add an intake fan...hmm...
 
What's the story with that "other tank"? It confused the heck out of me because I couldn't figure out why the lights didn't seem to roll back over the top of Bertha...
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9556235#post9556235 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Untamed12
What's the story with that "other tank"? It confused the heck out of me because I couldn't figure out why the lights didn't seem to roll back over the top of Bertha...

Hey Untamed,

First, I finally figured out why I couldn't find YOUR thread -- because it's on another site, and a Canadian one at that! D'oh! Anyway, I just read your whole thread, and I must say:

a) I can't comment because I'm too lazy to sign up for yet another forum account, but I might get motivated one day...

b) Your tank looks sweet. I like the rock work, the bar, the clean design... very nice.

c) You are tempting me to get the touch screen... but I think I will probably just put my computer on the wireless and remote desktop to it instead. Do you find yourself using the screen all the time, or is it really an occasional thing? I get the sense that the Aquatronica will be largely fire-and-forget after the first few months...


Now, for the response to your comments:

1) Yeah, in my sealed room the vent fan would do absolutely nothing if I didn't have a way to draw air in as well. If your room is open or breathes better I think you'd have better luck.

2) The other tank is my old 225G. I'm trying to find a buyer for it. It's going to move out to the garage either way in a week or so because the new tanks from James are en route! It does look a little confusing in there at the moment. (It also takes up a lot of room and makes it harder to do work.)

Ben
 
Great work!

... hmmmm that cutting a hole in the house thing is something I havn't quite detailed to the general ... just yet. That may be a last minute discussion ;)
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9556463#post9556463 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by bbrantley
Hey Untamed,

First, I finally figured out why I couldn't find YOUR thread -- because it's on another site, and a Canadian one at that! D'oh! Anyway, I just read your whole thread, and I must say:

a) I can't comment because I'm too lazy to sign up for yet another forum account, but I might get motivated one day...

b) Your tank looks sweet. I like the rock work, the bar, the clean design... very nice.

c) You are tempting me to get the touch screen... but I think I will probably just put my computer on the wireless and remote desktop to it instead. Do you find yourself using the screen all the time, or is it really an occasional thing? I get the sense that the Aquatronica will be largely fire-and-forget after the first few months...

Ben

I've been watching your build ever since I saw Bertha in the shop. They way it was going I figured she was going to be running before my tank (which made me feel slow), but now I think I'm going to get there first. Both very looonng builds, for sure. I'll have a running tank just shy of 1 year after starting.

I put my thread on the Cdn site 'cause that's where my immediate tank buddies are. I'm glad you found it. I considered doing one here as well, but one is enough.

I do use the touchscreen all the time...whenever I'm behind the tank...but mostly just to monitor things. I look at the temperature/pH graphs...I also turn on/off things if I'm doing some sort of maintenance. I think like most controllers, once you get the settings correct it becomes mostly about monitoring.
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9557403#post9557403 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by AquariumSpecialty
Ben, great progress! I'm guessing those tires are for growing tomatto plants:)? Just kidding but I couldn't resist.

Ha ha, Scott, always a joker! For those who aren't in the know, those "tires" are spools of flex PVC for the plumbing. I got them from flexpvc.com!
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9558292#post9558292 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by Untamed12
I've been watching your build ever since I saw Bertha in the shop. They way it was going I figured she was going to be running before my tank (which made me feel slow), but now I think I'm going to get there first. Both very looonng builds, for sure. I'll have a running tank just shy of 1 year after starting.

I put my thread on the Cdn site 'cause that's where my immediate tank buddies are. I'm glad you found it. I considered doing one here as well, but one is enough.

I do use the touchscreen all the time...whenever I'm behind the tank...but mostly just to monitor things. I look at the temperature/pH graphs...I also turn on/off things if I'm doing some sort of maintenance. I think like most controllers, once you get the settings correct it becomes mostly about monitoring.

Hey, I think I can beat 1 year! My thread started last July, and it's only March yet... I guess, though, it depends on what you mean by "running." I would definitely consider your tank to be "running!" I'll count mine up once it has saltwater and live rock in it as well.

Nice to know re: the touch screen. I guess I will think about getting one... have to find an EBay special like yours, though. :)

Ben
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9557738#post9557738 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by matt & pam
Are you going to run glass shields on your lumenarcs?

Yep, the glass shields are already in place, in fact. (Except for one -- the original test Lumenarc some of whose parts are still out in the garage.)
 
Looking really nice. Glad to see you are taking the time to make it a good install. based on ambient humidity, or lack thereof in Boulder, I think you will have better luck with the humidistat than I did. :)

Untamed12: Got to have at least a passive intake when exhausting warm air...

Bax: Those holes are typically cut and finished while the general is out. Timing is everything but not letting the general see the raw hole is definitely a good idea. :lol:
 
<a href=showthread.php?s=&postid=9592275#post9592275 target=_blank>Originally posted</a> by jnarowe
Looking really nice. Glad to see you are taking the time to make it a good install. based on ambient humidity, or lack thereof in Boulder, I think you will have better luck with the humidistat than I did. :)

Jonathan, indeed, you're absolutely right. My cursory observations so far tell me that the ventilation works great right at this time of year with snowy weather. I have the humidistat set to kick off the fans at 60% and it triggers reliably. The external air was roughly 35 degrees colder today and had a relative humidity of something like 30%, so the net is that a lot of water gets dumped outside. Of course, the colder incoming air cools the entire room, which then acts as a second-order countering effect by increasing the relative humidity a bit. The net-net is that the system seemed to be readily able to lower the relative humidity by about 1% per 5 or so minutes. The hysteresis band on my humidistat is narrow enough that it runs for about 45 minutes to an hour and then shuts down. The room also ends up about a degree cooler per 5 minutes as well with the temps today.

I guess it remains to be seen how it will perform in summer weather!
 
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