Bulletproof methods for new fish intro to DT

JimON

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I don't want to say that I am scared.... But I am scared.:eek1: Would this be a bulletproof method to introduce new fish to the DT without fear of any ich, brook, velvet, etc. coming in with them?

1: TTM per instructions on sticky thread for 15 days.
2: Observation tank for another 15 days.
3: Introduce provided no signs of trouble.

What say you? What could be done in addition to these steps? Not a big fan of chemical treatments, and trying to avoid that if possible.

Thanks!
 
I would also like some guidance too. I'm going to be setting up a small nano, and i'm hoping some of you experienced folks can let me know if i can get by without a QT - i don't want to build another tank just for 2-3 fish, know what i mean?
 
i typically go with a longer time in observation, usually more like 4 - 5 weeks.

then when introducing to the display i use an acclimation box. that gives the new fish and the current residents time to get to know each other, while still being physically separated.

to luiz, most QT setups are transient, including the observation tank. you can certainly leave them running, but it's nice to be able to set them up and take them down as needed.
 
Thanks, Mondo, for both the info, and the correction of the link I supplied! With your QT observation time, do you do TTM prior to the 4-5 weeks? If no, would that change your overall timeframe?
 
I give them a Formalin bath for 50 minutes upon arrival, right out the bag. I do TTM process and while during it, I dose 2 rounds of Prazi-Pro. After TTM, they go into the QT where I will observe them for 6 weeks. Starting the 2nd week of the observation period they get a round of CP.
 
Thanks, Mondo, for both the info, and the correction of the link I supplied! With your QT observation time, do you do TTM prior to the 4-5 weeks? If no, would that change your overall timeframe?

yes absolutely do TTM.

i typically bring in the new arrival, and then assess condition. if they look good i'll start prazi treatment and begin my TTM rotation. if they look overly stressed or off i will defer on the prazi until they are feeding well, then start TTM.

then once they're through two rounds of prazi and TTM they go in to observation/grow out for a minimum of 4 - 5 weeks, or until they're feeding strongly, whichever comes last. aside from making sure that they're healthy that time period lets them get used to feeding and lets me try out different foods on them in a quiet place with no other fish bullying them while they eat.
 
Thanks again, Mondo. Really good info. I'm sure to some it seems extreme, But who cares as long as it brings a 100% healthy fish to the DT for many healthy years to come!:fish1:
 
Thanks again, Mondo. Really good info. I'm sure to some it seems extreme, But who cares as long as it brings a 100% healthy fish to the DT for many healthy years to come!:fish1:

i've got a lot of money invested in livestock. it only makes sense to protect that.

beyond that, i feel like we have an implicit obligation to take good care of our charges. if we're going to subject them to being removed from their natural environment, then it's only right that we take all possible steps to ensure their health and longevity.

many of these fish have lifespans that can be measured in decades. i would love to have them that long.
 
Mondo, I couldn't agree more. There is no sense in taking the time to do this hobby right, and watch what we have put much love into die. I am right now putting together my water change/ R/O/ QT center, which will luckily be hid inside the laundry room, and mostly behind the door. I told my wife that I needed 3 more small tanks and 2- 45 gallon plastic tanks to support the 90 in the living room. Hello lead balloon... Good thing we have been married for 27 years.....:fun2:
 
Is there a guide anywhere on here on how to build a QT, as far as equipment goes? i know that it can be bare bones simple- i guess what i'm asking is, what kind of filter can i use and how often do i need to change the water. urgh i just realized i have a crap ton more questions than i thought i had.
 
Is there a guide anywhere on here on how to build a QT, as far as equipment goes? i know that it can be bare bones simple- i guess what i'm asking is, what kind of filter can i use and how often do i need to change the water. urgh i just realized i have a crap ton more questions than i thought i had.

this totally depends on what QT strategy you decide to employ.

for my grow out/observation tank, i left it cycled and used some cheap equipment. cheap powerheads, a HOB filter, and a second hand t5 light i was able to scrounge up. that worked really well. over time it got some upgrades and ended up with a sump and a skimmer, but that was more because i have a problem with fish tanks than because it needed it.

as for the TTM tanks, you want to keep them simple. i have a few heaters, and air pumps i use. everything gets bleached after i transfer the fish to the next tank, and things like air lines and air stones i just pitch.

i use pieces of PVC for hiding spots, because they can easily be disinfected along with the heater and tank when it's time to transfer.

i also have some pieces of acrylic that i use to cover the TTM tanks. helps stop jumpers, keep down on evaporation, and stop the spray associated with using air stones in a saltwater tank.

my minimum load out (i've added more of each thing to make my life easier) is as follows for TTM:

1. airline. i use a lot of it so i just buy long rolls of it and cut it to fit. when i transfer a fish out of a tank i just throw the airline out, it's not worth trying to disinfect.
2. heaters. at least 2, but the more the merrier. i leave these in the tank when i bleach then allow to dry for at least 24 hours before re-use. this makes sure no nasties hitch a ride.
3. air stones. you can get these real cheap at your LFS or off amazon. usually 50 cents or a buck a piece. same as the airline, i throw them out when i'm done with them. you can't clean them or dry them effectively.
4. air pump. i've accumulated a couple of these, but one or two will do just fine.
5. various pvc elbows. i like 3" - 4" elbows. i have some 90's and some T fittings. these get bleached and dried with the tank and heater when the fish is transferred out.
6. something to cover the tank with. i have a bunch of old acrylic sheets around that i just set on top the tanks. i rinse them and let them dry before re-use.
7. an ammonia binder like SeaChem Prime or AmQuel. i use this a lot in conjunction with partial water changes to help keep ammonia in check throughout TTM. the cleaner the water, the better chance of getting the fish to accept food, and generally speaking the better they will tolerate medication (if you're medicating).

then it's just a matter of putting a fish in the tank, waiting out your transfer period, moving to the next tank, then dumping a load of bleach in to the now empty tank. let it sit for a few hours, then dump it all out, rinse it well with tap water, and allow to dry for at least 24 hours before re-using the tank or equipment.

i actually have like 5 sets of equipment because it means if i get lazy i can let things sit without having to clean and dry them for immediate turn around. but that's stuff i've compiled after a few years in the hobby. it's amazing how extra stuff just kind of seems to accumulate after a fashion.

for the tanks themselves i got a second hand 20 long and stand for like $20 off craig's list for my grow out, and cobbled together a bunch of cheap 10 gallon tanks for my TTM tanks.

it sounds like a lot, i know, but once you get used to it, it's not too bad. i tend to change water aggressively, although that's usually not required. it is very helpful to at least siphon out unused food once a day (just make sure you have a few siphon hoses, and that they get bleached and dried along with everything else). i just usually get cheap vinyl tubing from Home Depot or Lowe's for my siphon hoses.

here is some more info on specific TTM points of interest:

http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1996525
 
Is there a guide anywhere on here on how to build a QT, as far as equipment goes? i know that it can be bare bones simple- i guess what i'm asking is, what kind of filter can i use and how often do i need to change the water. urgh i just realized i have a crap ton more questions than i thought i had.
Yes, many different opinions can be found. I have found the search button at the top of the page to be very helpful.
 
Some fish do not eat when the tank is dosed with Prazipro so I put them into a qt tank, wait a few days to make sure they are eating, dose Prazi for a few days, then TTM and back into QT (new water) for a minimum of 4 more weeks.
 
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